attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:00 pm
Just for the record...
I posted my own in-depth reaction to attofishpi above.
Oh, you have an audience! Well good for you.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle?
You'll either respond to the points I raised above, or you won't. Then we can allow anyone here who chooses to follow our exchange to decide for themselves who does the most wiggling.
Click, of course.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmYes, the shroud of Turin is THE most important artifact of physical proof of anything pertaining to a miracle. Thus, of such importance to your quest for evidence of GOD, especially the Christian GOD - that I insisted you watch it prior to my reply to your earlier post.
Really, think about it. An omnipotent Christian God could easily provide mere mortals with evidence or artifacts or personal experiences such that around the globe men and women would look like fools if they did not accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Instead, He leaves them a shroud!
A shroud such that if you Google "is the shroud of Turin real?", you are deluged with all manner of conflicting accounts. Same with things like the Holy Grail or the Ark of the Covenant.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+the+ ... s-wiz-serp
As I once noted, "I'm reminded of that scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark...a warehouse and a crate with a swastika on it. We watch as [supposedly] God burns it away. Take that you Nazis!"
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pm Even IF the shroud was a 15 Century forgery - scientists admit we couldn't recreate the grayscale information that is embedded as the image even with todays tech.
And just as I asked IC to note the most potent evidence provided in the RF/WLC videos, I'm asking you to note the same from this video.
Again, I
want to be saved. I
want to be provided with the sort of evidence that might convince me to jettison my truly grim philosophy of life "here and now".
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pm If you watched the video and noted the key findings from the scientific analysis as I expressed above, you'd comprehend that it's mere existence is a miracle.
Of course, that's what IC suggested in regard to the RF videos, isn't it? And why do I suspect that any number of folks on their very own "my way or the highway" One True Paths here are likely to steer the infidels to their very own social media/YouTube videos.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmScientists admit that they could not even reproduce the artifact using today's technology.
On the other hand, if it is unequivocally true that science today still fails to replicate it, "to reproduce the artifact using today's technology" please link me to the arguments, the evidence, the bottom line, etc., that convinced you of this.
That would certainly interest me.
On the other hand...
https://www.skeptic.com/article/shroud- ... -examined/
https://www.shroud.com/bar.htm
"The cloth of the Shroud can be assigned with a confidence of 95 percent to a date between 1260 and 1390 CE."
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmGOD creates planet Earth, set it in motion.
Again, in my view, this is but one more thing you believe is true "in your head" about God. Now, I can't demonstrate that it is false, of course, but then [as always] back to the argument that it is far more incumbent upon those who believe that something is true to demonstrate that first.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmA planet by its nature of mass creates great heat within its core and mantle, such that the cooler parts, the crust where we all hang out, sits floating upon this magma. The outer area of the planet know as the atmosphere is gaseous and also subject to natural causal forces, they provide weather patterns.
Okay, then you seem to be suggesting that God created planet Earth such that His creation is necessarily in sync with the laws of nature, rather than a God capable of actually inventing nature itself?
On the other hand, how would a No God cosmos go about creating the laws of matter? With God, there's teleology. So, how about with nature?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmThe GOD that I have deduced since its introduction to me in 1997, is an intelligence operating from below the Planck scale. It exists throughout all matter. People die, people have some suffering on the way to death from natural catastrophes - life on Earth is indeed a struggle.
Go into more detail regarding this "introduction". How did it commence and then unfold? Aside from what you tell yourself about it in a "world of words" here, what actual substantive, authentic and corroborative evidence
do you have?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmThe great thing about the omnipotence of this GOD entity (*while choosing to remain imperceptible to us, for good reason) IS that GOD can minimise the suffering of people in great natural catastrophes - indeed, snatch their souls prior to great suffering.
That's simply preposterous, in my view, given any number of particularly agonizing contexts above in which the "act of God" itself
is the source of all the terrible pain and suffering.
And, again, unlike Jesus Christ who "as God in the flesh" was fully aware that Heaven [immortality/salvation] was right around the corner for Him, almost all the rest of us are left grappling with existential leaps of faith or wagers. Also, knowing that there are many, many other religious denominations "out there" who are quite adamant that only their own One True Path counts.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:46 pmThese people that were unfortunate to have their current lives taken early, are reincarnated - depending on the way they have lived their life, perhaps they will be reincarnated into a position on the Earth where such natural disasters are not as likely.
Over and again: with so much that is at stake on both sides of the grave, why does God leave you suggesting that "perhaps" one thing rather than another is true?
