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Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:27 am But, I have absolutely NO idea NOR clue what you are talking about and/or referring to.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:14 amWell, instead of me writin' an essay (I really don't wanna), let me ask: where in our physicality does mind originate? Why should any man feel outrage at bein' property? Why should good and evil concern man when good old utilitarianism ought be enough? Why, in an apparent cause & effect world, does it seem man can choose, often for reasons that have nuthin' to do with with prior circumstances (the causal chain he's mired in)?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:49 pm holy book

I don't have one.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:49 pmeternal torture

as far as I know: there ain't any.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:39 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:50 pm uwot,

Great that they work for you. Is that any reason they should work for others?

That they work for me is no reason at all. That mind, free will, ownness, and conscience are real and have no source in the matter of man, that -- seems to me -- is a reason for others to mebbe consider they're more than a peculiar arrangement of materials and that Reality may not be a rudderless affair.

What sort of person do you imagine doesn't?

Guy, this place, for example, is lousy with folks who think mind is just a process of the brain, morality is just opinion, free will is an illusion, and the universe is a rudderless affair.

That sort of person.


...and that Reality may not be a rudderless affair.

Well it is if you're a deist, but I take your point



I'm a deist, I don't see it as a rudderless affair. Quite the opposite, actually.

Serious question: why would I, as a deist, see Reality as a rudderless affair?

Henry, deism is the belief that God did indeed create it all and set it all in motion, and then left it all to get on with what it does without His intervening ever again.

Yep, that's what vanilla deism sez.

(I'm havin' deja vu, B: seems to me, we -- you and me -- talked about the strains of deism before.)

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:07 pmWhich is why your god is less objectionable than Mr Can's.

cuz He leaves you alone.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:00 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:07 pmWhich is why your god is less objectionable than Mr Can's.

cuz He leaves you alone.

It's not so much 'He', it's more the meddling busybodies who see fit to tell me what their god wants me to do.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:23 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:39 pm Henry, deism is the belief that God did indeed create it all and set it all in motion, and then left it all to get on with what it does without His intervening ever again.

Yep, that's what vanilla deism sez.

(I'm havin' deja vu, B: seems to me, we -- you and me -- talked about the strains of deism before.)

You are at liberty to call yourself whatever you like but if you want others to understand you need to use the conventional meanings of words, e.g. the conventional meaning of 'deism'.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:07 pm
oops, I done fucked up, uwot!

you wrote: Which is why your god is less objectionable than Mr Can's.

I read: why your god is less objectionable than Mr Can's.

I saw question when there was only statement.

Sorry, guy.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:16 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:23 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Yep, that's what vanilla deism sez.

(I'm havin' deja vu, B: seems to me, we -- you and me -- talked about the strains of deism before.)

You are at liberty to call yourself whatever you like but if you want others to understand you need to use the conventional meanings of words, e.g. the conventional meaning of 'deism'.

Or, if you're curious, you could web search it: you'd find vanilla ain't the only flavor.

see, I think your education is on you, not me.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:34 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:16 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:23 pm
You are at liberty to call yourself whatever you like but if you want others to understand you need to use the conventional meanings of words, e.g. the conventional meaning of 'deism'.

Or, if you're curious, you could web search it: you'd find vanilla ain't the only flavor.

see, I think your education is on you, not me.

But varieties of god belief are not flavours. If I want orange flavour but ask for apple flavour I would not be understood

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:38 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:27 am But, I have absolutely NO idea NOR clue what you are talking about and/or referring to.

I have already told you what exactly you did not understand, and if you did, do you agree with what I said?
We'll probably end the discussion if you can't answer.
bye

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:37 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:34 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:16 pm

Or, if you're curious, you could web search it: you'd find vanilla ain't the only flavor.

see, I think your education is on you, not me.

But varieties of god belief are not flavours. If I want orange flavour but ask for apple flavour I would not be understood

me: I like sherbet

you: so you like dairy

me: sherbert is non-dairy

you: you shoulda told me that from the start

your education is on you, not me

'nuff said