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On the struggle  acquiring scientific knowledge these universal principles and points of view, not forgetting at the same time to give reason  for it or refuting  the   riches and fullness contained in it.  Also to know how to build a coherent, orderly account of it and be a responsible judge of it.  

This is Hegel’s systematic development of scientific knowledge,  it  can alone be the true shape in which truth exists. He helped   bring philosophy nearer to the form of science –  actual knowledge – that is what I have set before me   that knowledge  is    the systematic exposition of philosophy lies in   the process of time.

Hegel  not merely passed beyond that to the opposite extreme of insubstantial reflection of self into self, but he went beyond this too not merely lost its essential  transitory finitude characteristic of its content. He  is not so much bring conscious life back to the orderly ways   and the simplicity of  ideas,  he restores feelings . What Hegel wants from philosophy is not so much insight as edification. The beautiful, the holy, the eternal, religion, love – these are the required bait to awaken the desire   the ferment and enthusiasm.
 His strenuous effort, zealousness to rescue mankind from being sunken in what is a fleeting importance, and   raise  to the stars; “Time was when man had a heaven, decked and fitted out with endless wealth of thoughts and pictures. The significance of all that is, lay in the thread of light by which it was attached to heaven; instead of dwelling in the present as it is here and now, the eye glanced away over the present to the Divine, away, so to say, to a present that lies beyond. The mind’s gaze had to be directed under compulsion to what is earthly, and kept fixed there; and it has needed a long time to introduce that clearness, which only celestial realities had, into the crassness and confusion shrouding the sense of things earthly, and to make attention to the immediate present as such, which was called Experience, of interest and of value. Now we have apparently the need for the opposite of all this; man’s mind and interest are so deeply rooted in the earthly that we require a like power to have them raised above that level. His spirit shows such poverty of nature that it seems to long for the mere pitiful feeling of the divine in the abstract, and to get refreshment from that, like a wanderer in the desert craving for the merest mouthful of water. By the little which can thus satisfy the needs of the human spirit we can measure the extent of its loss.”

Every philosopher belongs to their own time and reigns for a certain time. Even today as disregarded and maimed as philosophy is it still emerges into the light. Now the question arises how can philosophy cleanse and inspirer the society of today.

Emmanuel Kant supposed that all knowledge is reduced to opinion, and every consciousness have intelligence. Kant compared knowledge to earth; ”if you wanted to describe it and it’s meaning you must first look and drive out self existence and lay its parts out one by one.”

Spinoza who indisputably wrote his greatest work on ethics asserted knowledge is oneness of thought. Whereas Descartes, believed knowledge is science. Leibniz devoted his writing towards knowledge as a higher sense of self-sufficient individuality.

The phenomena of knowledge is wisdom, insight, and observation, it embraces nothing more than the entire system of conscious good. Consciousness can be looked on in two ways as the path of skepticism or knowledge of everything that truly is.

Parmenides thought since the utmost limit is perfect on every side. The form of perfection is well-rounded sphere, which extends in all directions equally from its centre. Perfection, for it can be neither bigger nor less significant in one part or another.The perfect conscious self is mere certainty “I equals I” is the base of that development of all that follows and does not vanish. Know thy self the beginning development of knowledge is without any specifications and filling; absolute nothing mediated by nothing. The phenomenon of knowledge is sheer intelligence and its criterion is wisdom, insight, and understanding embraces nothing less than the entire realm of consciousness; the inner working and weaving is nothing else than pure non-thinking, reflecting pure ideality.

The mind is independent same as sun has stars and planets related to each other in an agreement, holds the stars and planets in one body so too mind holds together feelings, perception, reason, will and thinking. Remarkable thing the mind appears as self-conscious but is unconscious.


Parmenides stated since the utmost limit is perfect on every side. The form of perfection is well-rounded sphere, which extends in all directions equally from its centre. Perfection, for it can be neither bigger nor less significant in one part or another. Parmenides believed nothing can partake either of round or of straight. Round is that of which all the extreme points are equal distance from the centre To consider nothing, is the way the ignorant and double-minded mortals wander.

The mind is independent like sun has stars and planets related to each other in an agreement, holds the stars and planets in one body so too mind holds together feelings, perception, reason, will and thinking. The perfect conscious self is merely certainty “I equals I” is the base of that development of all that follows and does not vanish. Know thy self is the beginning development of knowledge. Pure knowing is without any specifications and filling; absolute nothing mediated by nothing. This phenomenon of knowledge is sheer intelligence and its criterion is wisdom and understanding embraces nothing less than the entire realm of consciousness; the inner working and weaving is nothing else than pure non-thinking, reflecting pure ideal.

Sense-certainty, perception, and conception all vanish in the course of seeing and hearing, are inaccurate witnesses. knowledge is the highest good where all other things become useful and advantageous and we are never content with false reasoning.

Truth the decides whether what is right or wrong is related to knowledge but the phenomenal of knowledge its principle is itself is but wisdom, insight, understanding, and observation. There are three determinations of consciousness, sensibility, quantity and reason one emerges from the other and in doing so each results from the other.

Sensibility is all about the vital activity of living being, for example, we are the triumphant of earth bringing forth and preserving self, admitting oxygen, hydrogen, salt active power, we endure. Practical we converts objects that are found in nature into items.

Look at stars know that heaven and the things in heaven are framed in perfect manner exalt an infinitude of ideas not superficial rhetoric.

Hence lovers of knowledge the important thing is undergoing the strenuous toil of conceptual reflection . This demands concentrated attention, self-determined functions of a kind, To become anything is through struggle and that is the chain that keeps us in bondage. A painter merely represents knowing the ultimate absolute truth means to exercise reason. Knowledge passes out of opinion, goes above hypotheses.

Even when artist represent the most strange and extraordinary works cannot be new, imagination is not extravagant enough to invent something so novel that nothing similar has ever before been seen. Like painted pictures things represented in sleep are. They do not invite knowledge because the sense is an adequate judge of them. While knowledge, imperatively demand the measurement, properties and relationships of points, lines, angles, surfaces and solids of things.

I only see into a little part of knowledge (although I must admit I don't always understand what I am trying to convey.) I write daily a sort of like a public journal of my collected work of art. Like poetry or any other form of art, the goal may or may not be to have a full understanding of what the artist is trying to convey but more of an intimate look into the human soul. But not in a heroic performer whose chief pursuit is to act,simply beholding the star light of day.

Barbara, thanks for this :
' I write daily a sort of like a public journal of my collected work of art. Like poetry or any other form of art, the goal may or may not be to have a full understanding of what the artist is trying to convey but more of an intimate look into the human soul. But not in a heroic performer whose chief pursuit is to act,simply beholding the star light of day.'

So, is this forum your main 'daily writing' or do you have a more private diary ( physical or mental ) where you 'collect' your art ? and then select items for our consideration ? or what ?

When you talk of the goal of understanding, is it that of yourself, other 'artists', both ?
I like the idea that you cannot totally comprehend what an artist is trying to convey - and that perhaps it is a case of looking for some kind of a connection. Is that what you meant ?

Will you answer my questions so that I understand, or do you not care ?

I'm not sure I 'get' your last sentence above, but I got the sense that your thoughts are directed not so much to the worldly 'do-ers' but to the heavenly 'be-ers' ? And, anyway, is it important that I 'get' it right ? Whatever, you meant, I enjoyed the phrase ' simply beholding the star light of day'.

Thanks again.
M.

M,

I have a physical private journal I write four to five hours a day. I have a tremendous amount of wrote.

A very good video to watch about understanding of art art is called, “Herb and Dorothy” they give an understanding of the connection with art. Neither people are artist but they instinctively preserve art for the people.

The star light of day is the sun. The last sentence I mean I present my writing not as a heroic performer whose chief pursuit is to act, but I do it everyday.


BB

Thanks Barbara - I appreciate your very clear, helpful and intriguing response. Of course, as always, it has thrown up even more questions, some of a personal nature which I won't here pursue.

I read an account of Herb and Dorothy - a remarkable couple. So many heroes.....stars. Long may you shine.

M.

M,

Yes, Herb and Dorothy had made a pack and stuck to it even when art collection was worth millions and millions of dollars they gave it as a gift to a museum in New York open to the public.

BB

The sun self-moving, never leaving, never ceases and eternal everywhere traverses the whole heaven appearing perfect and fully winged soars upward, and orders the whole world.

Zeno of Elea proclaimed that which has a beginning and end is the limits of everything. Then that which has no beginning and no end, is called eternity like space and time they have no parts and can never be.

Eternity, Zeno believed, the same thing once and forever. it is the infinite quantitative progression a meaningless repetitions of one and the same. Infinite has no ends, we cannot equate by any number we can only understand.

The tale of the tortoise and Achilles race in which the tortoise has a head start, yet the swifter-running Achilles can never overtake the tortoise. Before Achilles comes up to the point at which the tortoise started, the tortoise will have got a little way, and so on ad infinite must first traverse half the distance before it can do that, it must traverse a half of the half, and so on ad infinite.

The mind appears as an action, when in fact a remarkable theoretical process that through instinct we are be able to fashion material things out of nature; building nests, caves and shelters or the migration of birds and fishes and the collection of food. Through instinct we are be able to fashion material things ourselves out of nature; building nests, caves and shelters or the migration of birds and fishes and the collection of food. Without instincts no living creature would exist.

Look how the deer awakens the lion’s instinctive desire for it, the lion has no choice it is instinct; animals have restricted sphere . The sight of a rabbit arouses the eagle, or in other animals grass, and oats, all seek a complex environment instinctual .

We have a large environment relationship with the world, and recognize this elemental environment, even trees, lilies, willows, and fig have their own particular place, bugs and insects are restricted to each plant. in the theoretical process we are free; but a need for other is a necessary one.

The universe is an ordered harmonious free and partly conditional cosmos. Kepler wrote some of the most beautiful, purest and least tangled ideas of the universe ever to be found. He had complete faith that purpose is in the world and describes all things in Nature.The ego is a reflection-into-self, has a likeness to sunlight, The Hindus believed that the ego was like the sunlight and if it was maintained in pure oneness would pass into transparency, but the ego is self-consciousness an empty uncertainty of self merely an attitude and reflection to itself.

Come grasp the ruth you will have no problem in knowing what is great and what is small involves the conception of plurality, in which thought is aroused perplexed wants to arrive at truth.

Goethe believed, If you want to describe something and grasp the spirit of it, gather it’s meaning, you must leave it alone, and adjust to it. He believed Nature is not the affair of the imagination, but scientific facts with statements of specific characters and subject matter.

cannot continue to be ignorant of Nature and think we are other then nature or nature is other then we .

Blinded by profit science today finds an endless variety of ways of using Nature with the belief that nature is nothing. Like a seed is simple, almost a point; even through a microscope scarcely seen is simple self, pregnant with all the qualities of self the same as the seed is contained the whole tree, its trunk, branches, leaves, its color, odor, taste, etc. yet does not exist.

Philosophers be servants of the best, for every student had better be ruled by divine wisdom in order that they as far as possible do their best under the same roof of friends and equals.

Just as the eye is unable to turn from darkness it is sunlight the instrument to turn from darkness so too it is knowledge that can only by the movement of the whole mind turn from t becoming to that of being the brightest and best,

The Hindus believed that our ego is like the sunlight and if we maintained it in pure ego we would pass into transparency, but our ego is merely self-consciousness an empty uncertainty. Anything that is generated has an opposite, I mean opposite such as fairness and unfairness, good and bad, and the countless other opposites that generate out of opposites.

Philosophy too has a period of influence a certain time. Its a gift a spiritual authentic element for the world consciousness. World-spirit dominates all individuals must not be taken as if it were merely an act of service Through a conscious life. comes about universal and reverent devotion to all individual’s conscious in what is outside self, real world spirit linked together comes to actuality and rises out.

Hi Barbara

you said :
' Goethe believed, If you want to describe something and grasp the spirit of it, gather it’s meaning, you must leave it alone, and adjust to it. He believed Nature is not the affair of the imagination, but scientific facts with statements of specific characters and subject matter.'

Can you help me understand how you know what Goethe believed, does he spell this out anywhere, or is it what you have gleaned from all your reading....

You see I have just started reading his works and I'm wondering how my perceptions might very well miss the mark of his true beliefs and thoughts. I understand that his interest in nature was scientific - and so he collected and probed and theorised eg about colour and stones. However, wasn't Nature more than this to him ? I'm thinking of his awe, wonderment and bravado at eg the erupting volcano. And wouldn't the imagination come into play, even in his scientific endeavours ? Or have I totally misunderstood what you said ?

I'd love to know how you know Goethe...... Thanks, Barbara.
M.

M,

It comes from Faust, part one. Goethe says Spirit cannot remain at the stage of thinking in terms of detached , unrelated concepts. " If you want to describe life and gather its meaning . to drive out the spirit your beginning must be then through fast in your hand lie the parts one by one . the spirit thatlinked them, alas is gone and nature's laboratory is only a name that the the chemist bestows on't to hide his own shame. ": .

Goethe, felt life and universal relationship in nature is totally pervaded by reason also felt in a single form of life intimate oneness with itself.

BB

Thank you Barbara.

Your line : ' Goethe, felt life and universal relationship in nature is totally pervaded by reason also felt in a single form of life intimate oneness with itself.' makes sense to me.

As for Faust Part 1 : I had to return the Library copy, and there seems to be so many translations....
And even if I read all and compared all.....I doubt my ability to reach the essence of Goethe. However, it is something I intend to do ! Well, at least try to understand him

You are very kind in pointing the way - I wonder if in your journals, you write immediately after you read so that you digest and appreciate the work....did you read Goethe's Faust in the original, and /or translations ?

I'm hopeless at keeping notes of my readings or understandings, how do you do it ? I'm sorry if this is breaking too much into your thread, but I don't know how else to find out, or where else you would like to respond ?

M.