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Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.

moving away from reason or sound judgment

Bill Wiltrack wrote: Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

MJA wrote:It is impossible to know the truth about everything,
But possible to know a single truth about One is All.
I've built my castle on this.
Truth,

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chaz wyman wrote:A fooling man builds his castle on the sand, as you have.

lancek4 wrote:Perhaps begin with: all propositions are true.

As to the why: The fact that a humans life and that of the culmination of all of human lives (humanity), and as to life itself, on planet Earth, are minute relative to the timelessness that is the totality of the absolute truth of the existence of the universe.

We are relatively blinded!

We are relatively blinded!

by the mind

Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

The mind

reasonvemotion wrote:

We are relatively blinded!

by the mind

Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

The mind

Yes, but if we brave ourselves, I believe it possible to 'eventually' see this absolute truth, that is our existence.

Edit: (stressing) 'word'

Some helpful hints:

The truth is much more simple than thought.
If your having trouble finding it,
Simplify!
It worked for Buddha, Einstein, Descartes, and me.
And study nature; that worked for Michelangelo and me too.
Oh and another clue: nature is also One self.
One other thing, find the answer to this question: is nature truly measurable?
Once you find the answer the truth becomes crystal clear!
And Once you know the measure of your true self you equally know the truth of One or All,
As All is truly One.

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The Way

reasonvemotion wrote:

Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.

moving away from reason or sound judgment

Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.

lancek4 wrote:

reasonvemotion wrote:

Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.

moving away from reason or sound judgment

Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.

yeah the solution is to allow one's children to die rather than get any treatment. That sounds really logical.

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reasonvemotion wrote:

Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.

moving away from reason or sound judgment

Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.[/quote]

yeah the solution is to allow one's children to die rather than get any treatment. That sounds really logical.[/quote]
Oh yes, you are right. I got confused. It is Scientology I was refering to.

Are there particular thoughts that are detrimental ? How do you know which ones they are?

All I am saying, I have nothing to do with Christian Science, it is my belief to distance oneself from any group of people calling themselves "whatever" and society in general has nothing to offer a person. When I said "detrimental" I meant "thinking too much" crowds the mind and leads to overload, which in turn leads to imbalance.

As to the seeing of truth, this is what I see:

reasonvemotion wrote:All I am saying, I have nothing to do with Christian Science, it is my belief to distance oneself from any group of people calling themselves "whatever" and society in general has nothing to offer a person. When I said "detrimental" I meant "thinking too much" crowds the mind and leads to overload, which in turn leads to imbalance.

I meant Scientology.
What is overload? What is imbalance? It seems to me that only amind which was overloaded could come to a conclusion that their mind was overloaded. So how did you come upon this for yourself? How are you able to have purchase upon your thinking enough to know that your thinking is overloaded? Seems the idea would argue itself.

Scientology says that our bodies brains are perfect processing machines, that it processes perfectly the data it is given, that if there is a problem with the individual it is because it was given 'faulty' data, data they call 'trauma'. The traumas exist within the individual silently or unconsciously. The point of Scientology is for the infividual to realize or discover these traumas. Thereby releasing the data from the system. The individual thus becomes 'clear' of bad data and can then act freely, as a true agent , empowered by its natural ability to process 'perfectly'. Thus the agent acts in harmony with the universe. This harmony is called ethics and the individual thus behaves morally and good for humanity and the universe.


Does this not sound logical ?

lancek4 wrote:

lancek4 wrote:
Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.

Oh yes, you are right. I got confused. It is Scientology I was refering to.

What is that solution?

lancek4 wrote:Scientology says that our bodies brains are perfect processing machines, that it processes perfectly the data it is given, that if there is a problem with the individual it is because it was given 'faulty' data, data they call 'trauma'. The traumas exist within the individual silently or unconsciously. The point of Scientology is for the infividual to realize or discover these traumas. Thereby releasing the data from the system. The individual thus becomes 'clear' of bad data and can then act freely, as a true agent , empowered by its natural ability to process 'perfectly'. Thus the agent acts in harmony with the universe. This harmony is called ethics and the individual thus behaves morally and good for humanity and the universe.


Does this not sound logical ?

~This is all contrary to evidence. The implication is that what scientology provides is the "RIGHT, PERFECT" data and if you are good and reasonable you will inevitably follow scientology - convenient that is!!! Bad data is any thing that contradicts L Ron Hubbard.
The fact is there is nothing to say that we are all perfect processing machines in any sense - how and why could that be the case? Maybe the traumas we feel is that we are incapable of fully processing what data there is available to us, and is all comes loaded with interested values, none more so than the garbage that they spew.