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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:32 am
by reasonvemotion
I am my own worst enemy. Thinking too much, just like too much of anything, can be detrimental to oneself. To erase much of the acquired knowledge or rubbish in the mind, almost like restoring a computer to manufacturer's state, so it becomes simple, clear and your heart is the same, perhaps then truth can come into fruition. It has certainly eluded me up to this point as I find it almost impossible to clear and still my mind for a substantial amount of time. In Buddhism it is the most difficult of all tasks to achieve.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:22 am
by lancek4
reasonvemotion wrote:I am my own worst enemy. Thinking too much, just like too much of anything, can be detrimental to oneself. To erase much of the acquired knowledge or rubbish in the mind, almost like restoring a computer to manufacturer's state, so it becomes simple, clear and your heart is the same, perhaps then truth can come into fruition. It has certainly eluded me up to this point as I find it almost impossible to clear and still my mind for a substantial amount of time. In Buddhism it is the most difficult of all tasks to achieve.
Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:33 am
by reasonvemotion
Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.
moving away from reason or sound judgment
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:34 am
by SpheresOfBalance
Bill Wiltrack wrote: Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
MJA wrote:It is impossible to know the truth about everything,
But possible to know a single truth about One is All.
I've built my castle on this.
Truth,
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chaz wyman wrote:A fooling man builds his castle on the sand, as you have.
lancek4 wrote:Perhaps begin with: all propositions are true.
As to the why: The fact that a humans life and that of the culmination of all of human lives (humanity), and as to life itself, on planet Earth, are minute relative to the timelessness that is the totality of the absolute truth of the existence of the universe.
We are relatively blinded!
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:44 am
by reasonvemotion
We are relatively blinded!
by the mind
Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
The mind
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:55 am
by SpheresOfBalance
reasonvemotion wrote:We are relatively blinded!
by the mind
Actually, he asked:What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
The mind
Yes, but if we brave ourselves, I believe it possible to 'eventually' see this absolute truth, that is our existence.
Edit: (stressing) 'word'
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:03 am
by MJA
Some helpful hints:
The truth is much more simple than thought.
If your having trouble finding it,
Simplify!
It worked for Buddha, Einstein, Descartes, and me.
And study nature; that worked for Michelangelo and me too.
Oh and another clue: nature is also One self.
One other thing, find the answer to this question: is nature truly measurable?
Once you find the answer the truth becomes crystal clear!
And Once you know the measure of your true self you equally know the truth of One or All,
As All is truly One.
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The Way
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:45 pm
by lancek4
reasonvemotion wrote:Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.
moving away from reason or sound judgment
Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:51 pm
by chaz wyman
lancek4 wrote:reasonvemotion wrote:Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.
moving away from reason or sound judgment
Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.
yeah the solution is to allow one's children to die rather than get any treatment. That sounds really logical.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:36 pm
by lancek4
[ququote="lancek4"]
reasonvemotion wrote:Please qualify 'detrimental' to your self.
moving away from reason or sound judgment
Interesting. Christian Science proposes this very thing: that humans are 'perfect processing machines'. That it is the data that it (we) have been given that is responsible for an inability or otherwise lack for sound reasoning or judgement. And they offer a solution for it. It's quite logical in a way.[/quote]
yeah the solution is to allow one's children to die rather than get any treatment. That sounds really logical.[/quote]
Oh yes, you are right. I got confused. It is Scientology I was refering to.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:43 pm
by lancek4
Are there particular thoughts that are detrimental ? How do you know which ones they are?
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:03 am
by reasonvemotion
All I am saying, I have nothing to do with Christian Science, it is my belief to distance oneself from any group of people calling themselves "whatever" and society in general has nothing to offer a person. When I said "detrimental" I meant "thinking too much" crowds the mind and leads to overload, which in turn leads to imbalance.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 6:20 am
by SpheresOfBalance
As to the seeing of truth, this is what I see:

Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:40 pm
by lancek4
reasonvemotion wrote:All I am saying, I have nothing to do with Christian Science, it is my belief to distance oneself from any group of people calling themselves "whatever" and society in general has nothing to offer a person. When I said "detrimental" I meant "thinking too much" crowds the mind and leads to overload, which in turn leads to imbalance.
I meant Scientology.
What is overload? What is imbalance? It seems to me that only amind which was overloaded could come to a conclusion that their mind was overloaded. So how did you come upon this for yourself? How are you able to have purchase upon your thinking enough to know that your thinking is overloaded? Seems the idea would argue itself.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:45 pm
by lancek4
Scientology says that our bodies brains are perfect processing machines, that it processes perfectly the data it is given, that if there is a problem with the individual it is because it was given 'faulty' data, data they call 'trauma'. The traumas exist within the individual silently or unconsciously. The point of Scientology is for the infividual to realize or discover these traumas. Thereby releasing the data from the system. The individual thus becomes 'clear' of bad data and can then act freely, as a true agent , empowered by its natural ability to process 'perfectly'. Thus the agent acts in harmony with the universe. This harmony is called ethics and the individual thus behaves morally and good for humanity and the universe.
Does this not sound logical ?