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bobevenson wrote:The trouble with you is that you seem to think that the rich get rich by stealing from the poor. I suppose you think that great Americans like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs became billionaires this way. What an idiot you are! Now you take the Queen of England, I think she's a billionaire and never did a lick of work in her life. Talk about stealing from the poor!
Well, Bill Gates became rich because he was smart, had a good idea and was it the right place at the right time. But it didn't hurt that he came from a fairly rich family who enabled him to find the backing and cash and could afford to drop-out from his eductaiom. Steve Jobs would probably not be able to make it in the states now as he'd be on the FBI's watched list as his father was a Syrian Muslim. But you keep forgetting his partner and his money backer in your description of how Apple succeeded.

Depends what you call work? Do your bankers and capitalists 'work'? I very much doubt many 'work' as hard as the Queen if you mean time spent upon her engagments and duties and thats an eighty year old women.
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You can defend England and its royalty all you want, but it is a country from another era, and has no relevance today. Maybe if they learned to speak English.
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:lol: See the word "English"?

As if most of us care about our relevance today. Like the Italians we learnt some truths about Empire, so now we're to busy having fun and partying.

Like all great Empires we had our day and what a fine job we made of it. The concept of Democracy spread around the world. What will the Yank be leaving?
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We've been to the moon, idiot! What's your legacy (and don't come back with that Empire crap)?
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Great! And I loved it when it happened. But a legacy leaves something for others. What legacy has the moon-landing left us?

So you think spreading Democracy around the world is crap do you? :lol:
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As I've said before, democracy only gives legitimacy to 51% of the people to lop the heads off the other 49%. What's far more important is human rights and free speech, which you have very little of in Europe. Shit, if you deny the holocaust in Germany, they send you to prison. If you insult somebody in France, they send you to prison. And one could probably find a similar example for England since you're all part of the same stupid euro culture.
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bobevenson wrote:... and one could probably find a similar example for England since you're all part of the same stupid euro culture.
Of course we are bob. Keep watching the Disney channels. :lol:

Now who was that American citizen you recently killed for voicing his opinions about America and Islam?

By-the-by, which nations political system do you think America modeled?
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bobevenson wrote:As I've said before, democracy only gives legitimacy to 51% of the people to lop the heads off the other 49%. What's far more important is human rights and free speech, which you have very little of in Europe. Shit, if you deny the holocaust in Germany, they send you to prison. If you insult somebody in France, they send you to prison. And one could probably find a similar example for England since you're all part of the same stupid euro culture.
Actually you'll find most current democractic systems give political legitimacy to less than 51% of the people.
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Hey, Bill, "Occupy Wall Street" is as lame as it gets. Why don't you go down there and see if you can organize those pre-extortionists into a union, and and have them ask building owners for protection money to keep their windows from being broken.
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I'm not gonna tell you what I'm going to do film-wise, but it will be something that's not being addressed.

It will be funny and shocking and hopefully will help move the ball down the field.

And as long as I am one among many … That is why I love going down to Occupy Wall Street. Because I stand there with hundreds as part of this general assembly, and I am one voice. If feels so much better to me to have hundreds of other people sharing in that and saying, "We're all going to put the yoke on our shoulders and carry this forward."

That feels better than standing alone on the Oscar stage being booed off it.




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The extreme left of Michael Moore and Slavoj Žižek plus no doubt Noam Chomsky and if he could he would arise out of his grave Jacques Derrida, want to, repeat, WANT TO, no NEED TO own this movement. Anything to make it not look like a Tea Party gathering. What happens between people within the group must under NO circumstances be what happens within people between groups. Before that happens, brains must have been washed by the ultra-left. It is okay to deconstruct the fabric of social reality into the nothingness these left elites supposedly live and have lived themselves, but it is not okay not to let people constructively recollect their own backgrounds, pride, joy and happiness (let alone what the Sixties took away from us, our belief in God, Truth, Self and Reality - peace, man!)

That is exactly where the defecating on police cars begins, where the smile on Moore's face widens to twice its size, for this is what will sell his new film, where the old hippies congratulate themselves for being the new elites, as if that really changes anything. As long as people are not allowed to be their own person with a voice, but must as individuals submit to the group, on the left, just like groups must submit to the top dog on the right, groupsism is just as bad as cronyism and the dangers of polarization may be greater, since people on the left don't even CARE that they lose themselves to the group. As sociology has taught us, the canvas of society is made of power-distances and as long as mobs can make it look as if everybody is equal and together during the mobbing, the new elites can position and divide everybody between them into power-distance relations again, after they won, which this is all about, no doubt.

Power-distance is dependent rejection. The opposite must be the new principle, independent confirmation, like followership instead of leadership in social media. There are two ways to go there (or move away from it), groupsism on the left, which is independent rejection, or cronyism on the right, which is dependent confirmation. Truth, after all, is what we see when things and opinions can be independently confirmed. Religiously or street-wise.

I bet Moore had Žižek flown in especially for the soap box opera scene in his new communist United States propaganda film.
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Ron, nice post. I'm not sure the Occupy Wall Street movement is about left or right.

It encompasses both and all. The 99% refers to us. You and me, and anyone who reads this.










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