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A stopped clock still has the upper hand over a clock that's perpetually wrong.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:45 pm Given that the task seems to be to explain this to you, I'm afraid that you have stumbled upon an accurate description of the problem there, much as the stopped clock is right twice per day.
Wasn't this precidely the sort of religious grand-standing you set out to admonish?BigMike wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:31 pm I'm honestly at a loss for words right now. It's not just surprising—it's genuinely shocking, terrifying, and deeply concerning—to realize that every single person here seems either completely unwilling or unable to grasp even the most basic scientific principles, like the conservation laws. These aren't advanced concepts; they're the bedrock of how the universe functions. I was prepared to encounter some level of misunderstanding or denial, but every single person? It's staggering. I knew there was a fair share of ignorance in the world, but I never imagined it was this pervasive. How do we even begin to address such a profound lack of understanding?
That question, by the way, is entirely rhetorical. I don't expect an answer because, frankly, I doubt there's a single response that could adequately address the depth of the issue we're dealing with here. In fact, I don't even want an answer, because any attempt to justify or explain away this glaring lack of understanding would likely just underscore my point even further. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words, and in this case, it's probably better to let the overwhelming absence of insight stand on its own. Anything else would just be noise.
Actually, I have 7 chapters on the topic in The 13-Week Email Course. There, I resolve the isuue, then go back and prove my thesis completely wrong, but finally resolve eVeRyThInG and put a spontaneous free-wheeling bow on the whole thing!
Pater, eis ignosce ….I'm honestly at a loss for words right now. It's not just surprising—it's genuinely shocking, terrifying, and deeply concerning—to realize that every single person here seems either completely unwilling or unable to grasp even the most basic theological principles, like the metaphysical laws. These aren't advanced concepts; they're the bedrock of how the universe functions. I was prepared to encounter some level of misunderstanding or denial, but every single person? It's staggering. I knew there was a fair share of ignorance in the world, but I never imagined it was this pervasive. How do we even begin to address such a profound lack of understanding?
Again, what about the part where according to science, we have a prefrontal cortex, which is important in everyday decision making? And we morally judge those decisions in court. Morality is at its root a psychological feature that most humans have. And this is all consistent with deterministic physics.BigMike wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:31 pm I'm honestly at a loss for words right now. It's not just surprising—it's genuinely shocking, terrifying, and deeply concerning—to realize that every single person here seems either completely unwilling or unable to grasp even the most basic scientific principles, like the conservation laws. These aren't advanced concepts; they're the bedrock of how the universe functions. I was prepared to encounter some level of misunderstanding or denial, but every single person? It's staggering. I knew there was a fair share of ignorance in the world, but I never imagined it was this pervasive. How do we even begin to address such a profound lack of understanding?
That question, by the way, is entirely rhetorical. I don't expect an answer because, frankly, I doubt there's a single response that could adequately address the depth of the issue we're dealing with here. In fact, I don't even want an answer, because any attempt to justify or explain away this glaring lack of understanding would likely just underscore my point even further. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words, and in this case, it's probably better to let the overwhelming absence of insight stand on its own. Anything else would just be noise.
“Poetry will get you through times of domineering mathematics far better than domineering mathematics will get you through times of (bad) poetry.”
Alright, buckle up, because this needs to be said without pulling any punches: your argument is not just wrong—it’s profoundly stupid. It’s the kind of lazy, half-baked nonsense that someone trots out when they’ve never bothered to understand the first thing about how reality actually works. The fact that you even bring up the prefrontal cortex as if it’s some kind of trump card against determinism is laughable. It’s like holding up a calculator and claiming it proves math is magic.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:00 pmAgain, what about the part where according to science, we have a prefrontal cortex, which is important in everyday decision making? And we morally judge those decisions in court. Morality is at its root a psychological feature that most humans have. And this is all consistent with deterministic physics.BigMike wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:31 pm I'm honestly at a loss for words right now. It's not just surprising—it's genuinely shocking, terrifying, and deeply concerning—to realize that every single person here seems either completely unwilling or unable to grasp even the most basic scientific principles, like the conservation laws. These aren't advanced concepts; they're the bedrock of how the universe functions. I was prepared to encounter some level of misunderstanding or denial, but every single person? It's staggering. I knew there was a fair share of ignorance in the world, but I never imagined it was this pervasive. How do we even begin to address such a profound lack of understanding?
That question, by the way, is entirely rhetorical. I don't expect an answer because, frankly, I doubt there's a single response that could adequately address the depth of the issue we're dealing with here. In fact, I don't even want an answer, because any attempt to justify or explain away this glaring lack of understanding would likely just underscore my point even further. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words, and in this case, it's probably better to let the overwhelming absence of insight stand on its own. Anything else would just be noise.
(that was a short retirement btw)
And it didn't bother you that I even explicitly stated (just for you) that this is all consistent with deterministic physics? You literally just quoted it. Wow.BigMike wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:23 pmAlright, buckle up, because this needs to be said without pulling any punches: your argument is not just wrong—it’s profoundly stupid. It’s the kind of lazy, half-baked nonsense that someone trots out when they’ve never bothered to understand the first thing about how reality actually works. The fact that you even bring up the prefrontal cortex as if it’s some kind of trump card against determinism is laughable. It’s like holding up a calculator and claiming it proves math is magic.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:00 pm Again, what about the part where according to science, we have a prefrontal cortex, which is important in everyday decision making? And we morally judge those decisions in court. Morality is at its root a psychological feature that most humans have. And this is all consistent with deterministic physics.
(that was a short retirement btw)
Here’s the truth you seem incapable of processing: the prefrontal cortex is just another piece of biological hardware running a deterministic program. Every single thought, every “choice,” every moral judgment that pops out of it is the inevitable result of billions of prior causes stretching back to the dawn of time. You are not making decisions. You are a puppet of physics, a machine executing preordained processes while deluding yourself into thinking you’re in control.
And morality? Give me a break. Morality is a joke when it’s based on the illusion of free will. It’s an evolved social tool to keep people in line, not a cosmic truth that validates your fantasies about personal agency. Courts don’t care whether free will exists—they care about keeping society from falling apart. The system isn’t built on truth, it’s built on pragmatism. And the fact that you don’t see the difference shows how utterly shallow your understanding is.
Honestly, it’s infuriating that this even has to be explained to you. These are not new ideas. Determinism has been solidly supported by science for centuries, yet here you are, clinging to medieval fantasies because they make you feel special. Guess what? You’re not. You’re a bag of molecules obeying the laws of physics, just like everyone else. Grow up, stop spouting this pseudo-intellectual garbage, and maybe—just maybe—start engaging with reality. Until then, spare us your sophomoric attempts at debate. It’s not just embarrassing for you—it’s painful for everyone else.
Without the reality of free will: there is no morality.Morality is a joke when it’s based on the illusion of free will.
The whole of (American) criminal and civil justice rests on the notion that a man, any man, is a (or has) free will and therefore is responsible for his actions. Your scheme, as I say in a different thread, can only lead to atrocity.Courts don’t care whether free will exists—they care about keeping society from falling apart.