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Jill Biden, first lady.
Feelin’ the joy.

Kamalala's loss is Jill's joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDxLVB9OO1M

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:45 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:46 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:29 am
You think that the only thing they got wrong is that they used word games? Can you explain what you mean?

The Democrats are pushing the political correctness agenda...

Okay, agreed.

What should they adopt as their agenda instead?
Neither party has one agenda. For me it's the reason I've supported the Democrats for years. Truth, Justice and the American way, sound familiar?
But seriously, that and I saw that the Democrats cared more for the people, you know "We the people..." Jobs, security, freedom, the entire reason why the Greeks created Democracy in the first place. Democracy goes hand in hand with Philosophy and of course Psychology. Understanding humanity and what we all crave: honesty, integrity, love, comradery, peace, support so we don't let our fears get the best of us. Which unfortunately is a very big deal today, just look around at ours and other countries; chaos ensuing lies and deceit! Nobody seemingly knowing what to believe, confusion, ignorance. Two megalomaniacal cowards dominating the headlines, one killing women and babies for a piece of dirt, and the other a criminal, bigot, liar, fool, claims he'll be above the law, like a god. Both deserve to die for the life of the rest that just want to live and let live. Those that are at least in line with understanding this universe and this little blue globe in orbit around a star. The miracle, the beauty that is life, the universe contemplating itself! What an awesome gift we have, without those crazies.

I don't believe that people can't be changed,...

To This: Neither do I, obviously: or I wouldn't be asking you how they could change.

and I quote:

You Said:

because the Democrats can't do one thing to make them change anything

So I said:

I don't believe that people can't be changed,...

They can be made to change, with something powerful enough to show them what fools they are. And I believe it'll be 4 more years of Trump that will put them in their place. They'll see what fools he's made of them. As I said before he became president the first time, 'He'll be remembered as the worst president ever', watch and see, he's well on his way! No matter where he goes, there he is!

Once you become the thing you fear, you're insane!

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 3:24 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:45 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:46 am
The Democrats are pushing the political correctness agenda...

Okay, agreed.

What should they adopt as their agenda instead?
Neither party has one agenda.

An "agenda" has multiple items, not one thing.

I've supported the Democrats for years. Truth, Justice and the American way, sound familiar?

Well, that's Superman's motto. It has nothing to do with the Dems, and nothing particular to do with the Republicans either.

I said: I don't believe that people can't be changed,...

I didn't say that people in general couldn't be changed. It wasn't a claim about human nature. I said that the Dems can't do one thing to make the Repubs change, for the very simple reason that they are not in their party. But it is also true that one person cannot MAKE another change, so we are always better to look to the ways in which we can change ourselves.

So I was suggesting that the Dems take a mature, adult attitude, and ask, "What should we do that we have not been doing so far?" Complaining about Trump or the Republicans will never improve the Democrat Party. And the issue here is how to make that better.

How the left destroyed itself
Chris Hedges and Yanis Varoufakis

Thought this was an interesting take on things. Should the left return to emphasizing freedom and liberation instead of equality--not just freedom for the wealthy but freedom for all (including the wealthy)? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tarA8PNo24

Thoughts?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:44 pm

220 lawsuits in 100 days: Trump administration faces unprecedented legal blitz
https://abcnews.go.com/US/220-lawsuits- ... =121252266

“The president's supporters have decried the litigation as a "judicial coup," while those opposing his policies have praised judges for serving as a check against the administration. But the seemingly constant conflict between the Trump administration and the judiciary could risk permanent damage to the separation of powers at the heart of the Constitution, some judges have warned.”

“permanent damage to the separation of powers at the heart of the Constitution …

Permanent damage. Mission accomplished. Time has told the tale. The Leopard cannot and will not change its spots. The Lawfare Blitz has only increased since this recent report. So much for the Peoples’ Choice.

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- Lincoln not only freed the slaves, he fired three quarters of the top bureaucrats when he took office.
- In 2028, during his second consecutive term in office … maybe Trump can also make that legal again.

Shortly before she delivers a baby a woman can experience a surge of energy that causes inane things like rearranging the furniture, although from the perspective of nature’s purpose not so inane since it prompts the birthing.

The same surge of energy can happen before a person dies.

At the root, as everyone knows but no one discusses, the great experiment of the US Constitution was premised on a “God-Fearing People,” a concept which has likely become quaint to modern notions of sophistication.

Trump could well be that last surge of energy for a nation.

Prove me wrong.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:49 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:44 pm ....my question would be this: What learnings do the Democrats need to take from this past election, in order to make their party more viable in the future?

“permanent damage to the separation of powers at the heart of the Constitution …

Well, that's not an improvement, I think we can agree.

But my question was how we can make the second party of the US a better one, rather than how we can point out -- yet again -- how they've gone wrong.

Let's try to be constructive, if we can: what can the Dems improve?

Let me suggest an obvious one: become more centrist, so as to better represent the average American, and so as not to alienate such large swaths of the country.

Got another?

No, the premise still appears to be illogical, and there is no such thing as a centrist Democrat. They don't win elections ... or rather, they follow the lying rule of campaign from the center and rule from the totalitarian Left.

If the Democrat Party behaved differently, it would no longer be the Democrat Party. It would stand for something different than what it currently does.

Or, compare The Party to a murderer. It only takes one murder to forever be a murderer, because the deed is done and cannot be undone.

Following The Party's murderous intent for the constitution is what keeps The Democrat Party alive.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:33 am Or, compare The Party to a murderer. It only takes one murder to forever be a murderer, because the deed is done and cannot be undone.

The analogy's no good. A "party" is a collective thing, not an individual. It's the individuals that are responsible, not the party. There are no "parties" in jail for murder, for just that reason.

So the Democrats can change their platform. And there have been times in history when they were less radical and Leftist than they have been recently. If a party can be radicalized, it can also be deradicalized. If it can slew left, it can also lurch back to the center. There's no reason why not.

Moreover, there have been some people of integrity within the Democratic Party, from time to time, you would have to admit. You'll recall that Tulsi Gabbard was a leading Democrat, as was RFK...and for that matter, Trump himself was once a major Democrat donor. You can hardly claim that it was impossible for them to change their minds now, can you?

It's amazing how quickly history can be forgotten.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 2:03 am

Walker wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:33 am Or, compare The Party to a murderer. It only takes one murder to forever be a murderer, because the deed is done and cannot be undone.

The analogy's no good. A "party" is a collective thing, not an individual. It's the individuals that are responsible, not the party. There are no "parties" in jail for murder, for just that reason.

So the Democrats can change their platform. And there have been times in history when they were less radical and Leftist than they have been recently. If a party can be radicalized, it can also be deradicalized. If it can slew left, it can also lurch back to the center. There's no reason why not.

Moreover, there have been some people of integrity within the Democratic Party, from time to time, you would have to admit. You'll recall that Tulsi Gabbard was a leading Democrat, as was RFK...and for that matter, Trump himself was once a major Democrat donor. You can hardly claim that it was impossible for them to change their minds now, can you?

It's amazing how quickly history can be forgotten.

- Gabbard was put on a TSA terrorist watchlist and labeled a Russian asset. Mission: destroy Gabbard.
- There's evidence of Trump's long held conservative views, and before that evidence he was a playboy on the social scene, keeping his politics to himself as smart businessmen used to often do, before PC affected generations.
- These days, RFK would be labeled a rabid right winger ... or a wabid wight winger.

Not too many go from Republican to Democrat these days.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:29 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 2:03 am

Walker wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:33 am Or, compare The Party to a murderer. It only takes one murder to forever be a murderer, because the deed is done and cannot be undone.

The analogy's no good. A "party" is a collective thing, not an individual. It's the individuals that are responsible, not the party. There are no "parties" in jail for murder, for just that reason.

So the Democrats can change their platform. And there have been times in history when they were less radical and Leftist than they have been recently. If a party can be radicalized, it can also be deradicalized. If it can slew left, it can also lurch back to the center. There's no reason why not.

Moreover, there have been some people of integrity within the Democratic Party, from time to time, you would have to admit. You'll recall that Tulsi Gabbard was a leading Democrat, as was RFK...and for that matter, Trump himself was once a major Democrat donor. You can hardly claim that it was impossible for them to change their minds now, can you?

It's amazing how quickly history can be forgotten.

- Gabbard was put on a TSA terrorist watchlist and labeled a Russian asset. Mission: destroy Gabbard.

Yes. She made the unpardonable offence of questioning the Dem overlords and attacking the Clinton-Obama power structure, and then the even more appalling offense of having principles and standing by them. There are some things the Dems just won't tolerate, even in their own, apparently. Likewise, RFK. And as much as I haven't always agreed with them politically, I give them full respect for the integrity. I would not be afraid to have a Dem with the conscience of a Gabbard or an RFK in charge of things, even though I would not expect them to make all the decisions I would like.

So I think there's a place for tolerating a Dem party, if it were composed of principled, dedicated, courageous, caring and statesmenlike people. Right now, though, it's still the Clinton-Obama set running the show there.

a wabid wight winger.

Elmer Fudd was the Democrat VP candidate. He lost to a "twicky wabbit."

Not too many go from Republican to Democrat these days.

Well, the Repubs seem to talk about RINOs, who are essentially Dems in Republican drag...but they seem to prefer to remain and subvert from within, rather than to transfer allegiance to the Dems on principle. Perhaps they just don't have any principles that would make them leave.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:53 pm

“Cool shell formation on my beach walk.” – James Comey
https://nypost.com/2025/05/16/us-news/t ... ssination/

Comment: Leopard that he is, in trying to be a better Democrat (as a RINO), Comey may use the Charlotte’s Web Defense (CWD) ... and get away with it, because of sympathetic like-minded folks with Swamp Power.

(A RINO is a Heavy assault unicorn.)
https://img.patriotpost.us/01JV6KVCAHS0 ... dpr=2&q=50

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 4:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:53 pm

“Cool shell formation on my beach walk.” – James Comey
https://nypost.com/2025/05/16/us-news/t ... ssination/

Comment: Leopard that he is, in trying to be a better Democrat (as a RINO), Comey may use the Charlotte’s Web Defense (CWD) ... and get away with it, because of sympathetic like-minded folks with Swamp Power.

(A RINO is a Heavy assault unicorn.)
https://img.patriotpost.us/01JV6KVCAHS0 ... dpr=2&q=50

Trump tweeted a pic of then president Biden hog tied and held prisoner in a pickup truck a year ago.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... d-and-tied
You are a total hypocrite.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 5:30 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 4:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:53 pm

“Cool shell formation on my beach walk.” – James Comey
https://nypost.com/2025/05/16/us-news/t ... ssination/

Comment: Leopard that he is, in trying to be a better Democrat (as a RINO), Comey may use the Charlotte’s Web Defense (CWD) ... and get away with it, because of sympathetic like-minded folks with Swamp Power.

(A RINO is a Heavy assault unicorn.)
https://img.patriotpost.us/01JV6KVCAHS0 ... dpr=2&q=50

Trump tweeted a pic of then president Biden hog tied and held prisoner in a pickup truck a year ago.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... d-and-tied
You are a total hypocrite.

I had nothing to do with either seashells or pictures, you total asshole.

A year ago ... wasn't Trump under a gag order from Lawfaring, radical, partisan Leftist judges?

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 9:33 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 5:30 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 4:39 pm
“Cool shell formation on my beach walk.” – James Comey
https://nypost.com/2025/05/16/us-news/t ... ssination/

Comment: Leopard that he is, in trying to be a better Democrat (as a RINO), Comey may use the Charlotte’s Web Defense (CWD) ... and get away with it, because of sympathetic like-minded folks with Swamp Power.

(A RINO is a Heavy assault unicorn.)
https://img.patriotpost.us/01JV6KVCAHS0 ... dpr=2&q=50

Trump tweeted a pic of then president Biden hog tied and held prisoner in a pickup truck a year ago.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... d-and-tied
You are a total hypocrite.

I had nothing to do with either seashells or pictures, you total asshole.

A year ago ... wasn't Trump under a gag order from Lawfaring, radical, partisan Leftist judges?

Obviously not, you can see that by just following the link I already gave you you weird old mad idiot.