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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm
by Magnus Anderson
Skepdick wrote:So the term "unicorn" as you are using it has no referent.

e.g it's meaningless and you don't know what you are talking about when you use it.

That's what I said.
A term is meaningless if it has no meaning. It's not meaningless if it has no referent. The word "unicorn" very clearly has meaning. That meaning is captured by the sentence "A horse with a horn on its forehead".

The predicate of a proposition is not supposed to have a referent, you dumbass. It is supposed to describe the referred portion of reality. The subject, i.e. the referred portion of reality, is supposed to be a referent. And in the case of "Unicorns exist", the subject is the state of the universe at the present moment. That's what the statement refers to. That's the referent you're looking for. You obsessing over the referent of words that have no referent and that aren't supposed to have a referent ( such as the word "unicorn" ) is your own brand of shameless idiocy. It's the typical bullshit you can hear from a half-educated dimwit.
Yes, Where is the subject of the term "unicorn". You said - it's nowhere. So it has no subject.
Unimaginable level of stupidity.

The term "unicorn" is not a proposition, dingbat.
FIne. Where is that one unicorn?
Nowhere, manchild.
Yes, imbecille. All of it is real. including your mind. So where in the entire universe is the one unicorn you are referring to
Nowhere, fuckface.
WHERE is it?
Nowhere, dipshit.

You spend too much time on the Internet, loser.
It's fucking obvious to any non-idiot that I am not 30 meters tall. So what else could you be talking about when you say "Skepdick is 30 meters tall."

It's obvious that you are talking about your imagination of me; and not about me.
Ladies and gentleman, the stupidest person on the Internet.

Shameless admission of how terrible he is at listening to what other people are saying.

He UNDERSTANDS what I am saying, and he AGREES with it. He knows that I am talking about HIS height. And he knows that I'm saying that it's 30 meters. And he knows that it is false. And yet, he proceeds to deny all of that.

"Oh no, you're not saying that Skepdick is 30 meters tall, you're saying that you're imagining Skepdick being 30 meters tall. That's because I am not actually 30 meters tall."
I suck way less than you.
Hardly anyone is as terrible as you are.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:43 pm
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm A term is meaningless if it has no meaning
OK. WHERE is the meaning of the term "unicorn"?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm It's not meaningless if it has no referent.
If the term "unicorn" doesn't refer to anything meaningful then it has no meaning.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm The word "unicorn" very clearly has meaning.
Obviously it has meaning. WHERE is its meaning?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm That meaning is captured by the sentence "A horse with a horn on its forehead".
What? That's just viciously circular and completely vacuous reasoning!

What captures the meaning of the sentence "A horse with a horn on its forehead"?
Are you going to give me another sentence? What sentence captures the meaning of that sentence?

Define "define "define "define """"

You are chasing your own tail!
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm The predicate of a proposition is not supposed to have a referent, you dumbass.
Dumbass, at what point are you going to come to accept that you are the dumbass in the conversation?

If terms have meaning then where is the meaning of the term "meaning" ?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm It is supposed to describe the referred portion of reality. The subject, i.e. the referred portion of reality, is supposed to be a referent.
Dumbass. You are talking ABOUT something. By talking ABOUT something you are refering TO that something.

When you are talking ABOUT a unicorn you are refering TO a unicorn.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm And in the case of "Unicorns exist", the subject is the state of the universe at the present moment.
WHICH part of the universe? WHERE does this unicorn exist? The unicerse's a really really big (possibly infinite) place. Narrow it down for me to some location. Start with something the size of a city.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm That's what the statement refers to. That's the referent you're looking for.
So you are trying to tell me that the sentence "unicorns exist" and the sentence "the state of the universe at this present moment" refer to exactly the same thing ?!?!?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm You obsessing over the referent of words that have no referent and that aren't supposed to have a referent ( such as the word "unicorn" ) is your own brand of shameless idiocy. It's the typical bullshit you can hear from a half-educated dimwit.
Bullshit, moron. If your words have no referent then you are literally talking about NOTHING. NOWHERE.

So shut the fuck up.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm
FIne. Where is that one unicorn?
Nowhere, manchild.
Q.E.D When you are using the term "unicorn" you are talking ABOUT.... NOTHING. NOWHERE.

So shut the fuck up.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm Nowhere, fuckface.
Great! So you aren't talking about anything. Anywhere.

Shut the fuck up.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm
WHERE is it?
Nowhere, dipshit.
Understood. When you use the word "unicorn" you are talking about nothing. Nowhere.

So shut the fuck up.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm You spend too much time on the Internet, loser.
Yeah. iIt's my job/career. Hindsight I could've made more money making bets with gullible philosophers.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm
It's fucking obvious to any non-idiot that I am not 30 meters tall. So what else could you be talking about when you say "Skepdick is 30 meters tall."

It's obvious that you are talking about your imagination of me; and not about me.
Ladies and gentleman, the stupidest person on the Internet.
... is you.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm Shameless admission of how terrible he is at listening to what other people are saying.
You are talking about a 30 meter tall Skepdick, bro! Do you want me to conclude you are fucking imbecille; or do you want me to be charitable and infer that you are just talking about your imagination?

Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm He UNDERSTANDS what I am saying, and he AGREES with it. He knows that I am talking about HIS height. And he knows that I'm saying that it's 30 meters. And he knows that it is false. And yet, he proceeds to deny all of that.
You fucking imbecille. Everybody knows that I can't be 30 meteres tall.

So if you are SAYING that I am 30 meters tall then you can't be talking about me. So WHAT are you talking about?

Your imagination of me. OBVIOUSLY.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:20 pm Hardly anyone is as terrible as you are.
Hardly anyone projects as much as you do

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm
by Magnus Anderson
Skepdick wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:43 pmOK. WHERE is the meaning of the term "unicorn"?
And WHY are you asking that question? Are you denying that the term "unicorn" has any meaning? Isn't it obvious that it does? Why should anyone care where that meaning is located?
If the term "unicorn" doesn't refer to anything meaningful then it has no meaning.
There you go again, repeating your mantra.

There are many words that have no referent that are nonetheless meaningful. The word "cat", for example, has no referent. It does not refer to any particular real life cat occupying a portion of physical space. "That cat" has a referent but that's not the same symbol as the word "cat". A referent is merely a portion of the universe a symbol refers to. There is no portion of the universe the word "cat" refers to. If you think that there is, please show us that portion of reality. If you point to any particular cat, you are wrong. If you point to the set of all cats that exist, you're wrong once again. The word "cat" simply has no referent. Yet, the word "cat" is perfectly meaningful. How can that be? It can be because to say that a word is a meaningful one is NOT to say that it has a referent but that it has a concept attached to it, i.e. that there are rules in place that establish what kind of things that symbol can represent. The symbol "xclskfdks" is meaningless because I have not declared what kind of things can be represented by it.

You can say that the word "cat" has real life instances or examples, i.e. that there are things that exist that can be represented by the word "cat". That is true. But instances aren't referents. Moreover, there is no need for a symbol to have real life instances in order to be a meaningful symbol.
What? That's just viciously circular and completely vacuous reasoning!
Hardly.

You really are doing nothing but questioning everything endlessly with no purpose other than to demolish all thought.
What captures the meaning of the sentence "A horse with a horn on its forehead"?
Are you going to give me another sentence? What sentence captures the meaning of that sentence?

Define "define "define "define """"

You are chasing your own tail
Nah, you're just trying really hard to come off as smart while promoting complete demolition of all thought. You're employed by the CIA to promote fake philosophy -- foolosophy -- in an effort to keep the intelligence of the average person at the bare minimum. That's how you present yourself. You've been sent to this forum to spend all of your working hours doing nothing but countering everything everyone else is saying. Your task is to instill doubt. Question everything, endlessly. Never ever seek any sort of resolution. Make sure that no productive discussions happen. Waste other people's time as much as you can.
Dumbass. You are talking ABOUT something. By talking ABOUT something you are refering TO that something.
Yes, to talk about something is to say that that something -- a portion of reality -- is such and such.

But we've been over this, haven't we?

You are not paying attention.

In the case of "Unicorns exist", the referred portion of reality is "The present state of the universe". That's what we're talking about. And that clearly exists. You won't, and you can't, deny that.
When you are talking ABOUT a unicorn you are refering TO a unicorn.
But we're not talking about some random unicorn, dummy. In fact, we are not even talking about unicorns ( plural. ) We're talking about the present state of the universe. And what's we're saying about it is that there are unicorns in it.

Are you following, dummy?

The subject is "The present state of the universe."

The predicate is "It contains at least one unicorn."

The subject is supposed to refer to a portion of reality. Not the predicate. Get over it, buddy. YOU LOST BIG TIME.
So you are trying to tell me that the sentence "unicorns exist" and the sentence "the state of the universe at this present moment" refer to exactly the same thing ?!?!?
Nah. You have a lot to learn and I don't have infinite time.
If your words have no referent then you are literally talking about NOTHING. NOWHERE.
Wrong, buddy. Try to prove that one if you dare. I am sure you can't. You are not here to prove. You are here to question.
When you are using the term "unicorn" you are talking ABOUT.... NOTHING. NOWHERE.
You have a loooooooooooooot to learn. But in order to be able to learn, you need give up on your excessively positive perception of your own self. Until you do that, until you tone down your arrogance, you won't get anywhere. You will be stuck repeating one and the same thing over and over again. Like a broken record. Like a nobody that you are.
Yeah. iIt's my job/career.
And this forum is your workplace, I suppose.
You are talking about a 30 meter tall Skepdick, bro! Do you want me to conclude you are fucking imbecille; or do you want me to be charitable and infer that you are just talking about your imagination?
You can't really infer that I am imbecile because I don't really believe it. But given how hard it is for you to understand extremely simple things, I can very easily infer that you're a gigantic imbecile, one of a kind.
You fucking imbecille. Everybody knows that I can't be 30 meteres tall.

So if you are SAYING that I am 30 meters tall then you can't be talking about me.
I can, dummy. To talk about X merely means to say Y about X. In this case, X is your height. I am talking about Skepdick's height. And Y is 30 meters. I am saying that your height is 30 meters. The referred portion of reality is Skepdick's height, something that obviously exists. The description of that portion of reality is 30 meters. That's an incorrect description, of course.

Neither the fact that you're not 30 meters tall, nor the fact that there is noone else in the universe who is 30 meters tall, means that I am talking about an imaginary Skepdick's height. In other words, it does not follow that X is imaginary Skepdick's height. GIVE UP ON IT, DUMMY. I said NOTHING about the imaginary Skepdick. I wasn't talking about the imaginary Skepdick.

What all of this clearly shows, to everyone, everyone who is not as seriously retarded as you are, is that you have absolutely no clue how to properly understand what other people are saying. You're an extremely poor listener. I know you have a high opinion of yourself, and that you think that your biggest weakness is your biggest strength, but that means nothing, dummy. They call such things "delusions". Lots of people have those.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:17 pm
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm
Skepdick wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:43 pmOK. WHERE is the meaning of the term "unicorn"?
And WHY are you asking that question? Are you denying that the term "unicorn" has any meaning? Isn't it obvious that it does? Why should anyone care where that meaning is located?
Why couldn't you just answer my question instead of deflecting with 10 others?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm There are many words that have no referent that are nonetheless meaningful. The word "cat", for example, has no referent.
When you are talking ABOUT something you are refering to it.

You are talking about the word "cat". You are refering to the word "cat". Where is the word "cat"? On our screens.
You are talking about the meaning of thr word "cat". You are refering to the meaning of the word cat.

Where is the meaning of the word "cat"?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm It does not refer to any particular real life cat occupying a portion of physical space.
Fine. But you are talking ABOUT some cat. Where is it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm A referent is merely a portion of the universe a symbol refers to.
Exactly. Where is the cat you are talking about?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm There is no portion of the universe the word "cat" refers to.
So what are you talking about when you are using the word "cat"?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm If you think that there is, please show us that portion of reality.
If I knew where the cat you are talking about is located I wouldn't keep asking you where the fucking cat is located.

Where is the cat you are talking about?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm If you point to any particular cat, you are wrong.
I have no intention of pointing. I am asking you what you are pointing to when you are using the term "cat".
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm The word "cat" simply has no referent.
Then what are you talking about when you use it; and where is the thing you are talking about located?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Yet, the word "cat" is perfectly meaningful.
If you aren't taking about anything, anywhere when you use the word "cat" then it's absolutely not meaningful.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm How can that be? It can be because to say that a word is a meaningful one is NOT to say that it has a referent but that it has a concept attached to it
What concept does the word "concept" have attached to it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm i.e. that there are rules in place that establish what kind of things that symbol can represent.
What kind of things can the symbol "representation" represent?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm The symbol "xclskfdks" is meaningless because I have not declared what kind of things can be represented by it.
You also haven't declared the kind of things the symbol "declared" can represent. So is it meaningless?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm You really are doing nothing but questioning everything endlessly with no purpose other than to demolish all thought.
Why are you lying?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Nah, you're just trying really hard to come off as smart while promoting complete demolition of all thought.
You need to stop lying.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm You're employed by the CIA to promote fake philosophy -- foolosophy -- in an effort to keep the intelligence of the average person at the bare minimum. That's how you present yourself. You've been sent to this forum to spend all of your working hours doing nothing but countering everything everyone else is saying. Your task is to instill doubt. Question everything, endlessly. Never ever seek any sort of resolution. Make sure that no productive discussions happen. Waste other people's time as much as you can.
What resolution do you expect when you still haven't told me why you are pointing at whatever it is you are pointing at?

If you don't know what you want I definitely can't help you...
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Yes, to talk about something is to say that that something -- a portion of reality -- is such and such.
WHICH portion of reality are you talking about when you are using the term "unicorn"?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm In the case of "Unicorns exist", the referred portion of reality is "The present state of the universe".
WHERE in the universe do unicorns exist?

Why can't you narrow down to a galaxy? Or a planet. Or a continent. Or a city. Or some particular person's head?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm But we're not talking about some random unicorn, dummy.
I have no idea WHERE you are talking about, dummy. You haven't told me.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm In fact, we are not even talking about unicorns ( plural. ) We're talking about the present state of the universe. And what's we're saying about it is that there are unicorns in it.
If we were talking about the present state of the universe then you would've used the phrase "present state of the universe". You aren't talking about somethign so vast and general.

You are talking about a "unicorn". Where is it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm The predicate is "It contains at least one unicorn."
Where is it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm The subject is supposed to refer to a portion of reality. Not the predicate. Get over it, buddy. YOU LOST BIG TIME.
Which portion of reality? Can you isolate/locate it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Nah. You have a lot to learn and I don't have infinite time.
Then quit easting mine, moron.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Wrong, buddy. Try to prove that one if you dare. I am sure you can't. You are not here to prove. You are here to question.
I have asked you to locate that which you ar talking about when you use the term "unicorn" over 20+ times.

You have dodged and obfuscated. Prooven. Q.E.D

Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm And this forum is your workplace, I suppose.
Yeah. The bigger the idiots I have to deal with - the more I get paid. You've been very profitable.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm You can't really infer that I am imbecile because I don't really believe it.
You don't need to believe it to be an imbecille, you just have to talk like an imbecille.

And you are talking like an imbecille.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm But given how hard it is for you to understand extremely simple things, I can very easily infer that you're a gigantic imbecile, one of a kind.
I am the lesser gigantic imbecille. Surpassed only by the greater gigantic Magnus Andersen imbecille.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm I can, dummy. To talk about X merely means to say Y about X. In this case, X is your height. I am talking about Skepdick's height. And Y is 30 meters
Imbecille. 30 meters is not my hight. So you can't talking about me.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm I am saying that your height is 30 meters.
And I am saying that my height is not 30 meters, therefore you are not talking about me.

Do you not understand basic principles of reasoning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm The referred portion of reality is Skepdick's height, something that obviously exists. The description of that portion of reality is 30 meters. That's an incorrect description, of course.
I know all of this, you moron.

Given THAT I am not 30 meters and you are saying THAT I am 30 meters tall what is it that you want me to conclude about you?

1. That you are a fucking imbecille who thinks I am 30 meters tall.
OR
2. I am not 30 meters tall so you are necessarily talking about your imagination of me, ant not me.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm Neither the fact that you're not 30 meters tall, nor the fact that there is noone else in the universe who is 30 meters tall, means that I am talking about an imaginary Skepdick's height.
Of course it means exactly that!

I am not 30 meters tall, so you must be imagining it!
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm In other words, it does not follow that X is imaginary Skepdick's height.
Yes it does. Which Skepdick's height is 30 meters then?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm GIVE UP ON IT, DUMMY. I said NOTHING about the imaginary Skepdick. I wasn't talking about the imaginary Skepdick.
Yes you are, you fucking imbecille.

I am not 30 meters tall.
Imaginary Skepdick is.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:21 pm What all of this clearly shows, to everyone, everyone who is not as seriously retarded as you are, is that you have absolutely no clue how to properly understand what other people are saying. You're an extremely poor listener. I know you have a high opinion of yourself, and that you think that your biggest weakness is your biggest strength, but that means nothing, dummy. They call them "delusions". Lots of people have them.
You mean like you are deluding yourself about me being 30 meters tall?

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am
by Magnus Anderson
Skepdick wrote:If we were talking about the present state of the universe then you would've used the phrase "present state of the universe". You aren't talking about somethign so vast and general.
That's exactly what we're talking about, dummy. "Unicorns exist" and "The present state of the universe contains at least one unicorn" are saying one and the same thing. In both cases, the portion of reality we're talking about is "the present state of the universe". It's merely less obvious in the first statement.
You are talking about a "unicorn". Where is it?
Nah, I am not talking about a unicorn. See how utterly incapable you are of following what other people are saying? Are you on the spectrum, dummy?

What I am talking about is the present state of the universe. And what I'm saying about it is that there is at least one unicorn in it. That's all. It's really as simple as that. But you, being extremely arrogant, will never learn that. Instead, you will continue asking one dumb, pointless, irrelevant and evasive question after another.
Which portion of reality? Can you isolate/locate it?
Are you deaf, dummy? THE PRESENT STATE OF THE UNIVERSE.
I have asked you to locate that which you ar talking about when you use the term "unicorn" over 20+ times.
Yes and it will obviously take you an additional million times before you realize you're asking a dumb question.
You have dodged and obfuscated. Prooven. Q.E.D
Nah. I have merely refused to answer idiotic questions.
The bigger the idiots I have to deal with - the more I get paid. You've been very profitable.
They lie to you when they tell you that you're fighting against idiots. They better hide when those who work for them are oblivious to the fact that they are paid to demolish society. They are literally paying you to DESTROY intelligence.
Imbecille. 30 meters is not my hight. So you can't talking about me.
And I am saying that my height is not 30 meters, therefore you are not talking about me.
Shameless idiocy.

Dummy, when they patted you on the back, and told you that you're smart, they lied to you. They need idiots. But they can't tell idiots who they are. They must lie to them. You're an artificially selected retard. You've been bred to be a retard. You're just not aware of it and you've been trained to think that you're the polar opposite of it.
Given THAT I am not 30 meters and you are saying THAT I am 30 meters tall what is it that you want me to conclude about you?

1. That you are a fucking imbecille who thinks I am 30 meters tall.
OR
2. I am not 30 meters tall so you are necessarily talking about your imagination of me, ant not me.
3. That I am saying something wrong about you without believing it to be true.

Is it really that hard, dummy?
You mean like you are deluding yourself about me being 30 meters tall?
How pathetic.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:52 am
by Iwannaplato
Not sure how you guys got here but 'the present state of the universe' is a very funny category-error answer to a where question, especially when it is claimed this is a portion of the universe.

But maybe this was a 'what's good for the goose' response.

(Where is the dog in the house? In the state of the house.
Ah, the dog is in the conditions of the house. The dog a facet of the entire house's conditions.

Not, for example, 'in my mind' or 'in the garage.')

Where is the unicorn?
In the expanding and dispersing.
Ah.

Less helpful than 'in the universe' even.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:51 am
by Skepdick
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:52 am Not sure how you guys got here but 'the present state of the universe' is a very funny category-error answer to a where question, especially when it is claimed this is a portion of the universe.

But maybe this was a 'what's good for the goose' response.

(Where is the dog in the house? In the state of the house.
Ah, the dog is in the conditions of the house. The dog a facet of the entire house's conditions.

Not, for example, 'in my mind' or 'in the garage.')

Where is the unicorn?
In the expanding and dispersing.
Ah.

Less helpful than 'in the universe' even.
It's almost as if he is trying to get away from the point (in spacetime), not to it.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:57 am
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am
Skepdick wrote:If we were talking about the present state of the universe then you would've used the phrase "present state of the universe". You aren't talking about somethign so vast and general.
That's exactly what we're talking about, dummy.
You don't seem to understand what the word "exactly" means...
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am "Unicorns exist" and "The present state of the universe contains at least one unicorn" are saying one and the same thing.
The present state of the universe contains at least one of everything that exists. There is nothing "exact" about your words. They aren't even necessary.
That is implied to because you are using the word "unicorn" - so you must be talking about something which is somewhere.

Where exactly is this unicorn?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am In both cases, the portion of reality we're talking about is "the present state of the universe". It's merely less obvious in the first statement.
It's even less obvious when you use the word "unicorn", but it's implicit.

You are using the word "unicorn" - so you must be talking about something which is somewhere.

WHERE is it?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Nah, I am not talking about a unicorn.
Then why are you using the word "unicorn" ?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am See how utterly incapable you are of following what other people are saying? Are you on the spectrum, dummy?
How can I "follow" somebody who isn't going anywhere?

We are stuck in limbo because you can't get to WHERE the unicorn is.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am What I am talking about is the present state of the universe.
That's impossible.

The present state of the universe is everywhere. The unicorn you are talking about is NOT everywhere.

That is why I keep asking you: WHERE is the unicorn?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am And what I'm saying about it is that there is at least one unicorn in it.
There's at least one of everything in the universe. This is a boring tautology - it doesn't tell us WHERE that something is.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am That's all. It's really as simple as that. But you, being extremely arrogant, will never learn that. Instead, you will continue asking one dumb, pointless, irrelevant and evasive question after another.
That's all?!? Why did you bother wasting my time and yours with something so banal and pointless?!? It's trivially deducible from the fact that There is at least one of everything in the universe.

P1. There is at least one of everything in the universe
C. Therefore there is at least one unicorn in the universe

P1. There is at least one of everything in the universe.
C. Therefore there is at least one dinosaur in the universe

P1. There is at least one of everything in the universe.
C. Therefore there is at least one god in the universe
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Are you deaf, dummy? THE PRESENT STATE OF THE UNIVERSE.
The present state of the universe is EVERYWHERE, imbecille.

The unicorn isn't everywhere, so WHERE is the unicorn?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Yes and it will obviously take you an additional million times before you realize you're asking a dumb question.
Not really. I am asking a really good question, but I am asking a dumb person, so I can't get a good answer.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Nah. I have merely refused to answer idiotic questions.
Not really. You are being an idiot who refuses to answer good, clarifying questions.

Questions that would actually get us to the point. So in your refusal to do so you are demonstrating that you have no point.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am They lie to you when they tell you that you're fighting against idiots.
Yeah, I didn't believe them at first but now I am convinced. An idiot such as yourself played a huge part.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am They better hide when those who work for them are oblivious to the fact that they are paid to demolish society. They are literally paying you to DESTROY intelligence.
I can't destroy what you don't have.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am
Imbecille. 30 meters is not my hight. So you can't talking about me.
And I am saying that my height is not 30 meters, therefore you are not talking about me.
Shameless idiocy.
Basic fucking mode of reasoning. Modus tollens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Dummy, when they patted you on the back, and told you that you're smart, they lied to you.
Yeah, I was well aware of that fact. As far as I am concerned I am a total idiot. I am probably the second biggest idiot in any room you are in.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am They need idiots. But they can't tell idiots who they are. They must lie to them.
Not me. I don't lie. You are an idiot.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am You're an artificially selected retard. You've been bred to be a retard. You're just not aware of it and you've been trained to think that you're the polar opposite of it.
They fucked me up good, alright. But they fucked you up even worse.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am
Given THAT I am not 30 meters and you are saying THAT I am 30 meters tall what is it that you want me to conclude about you?

1. That you are a fucking imbecille who thinks I am 30 meters tall.
OR
2. I am not 30 meters tall so you are necessarily talking about your imagination of me, ant not me.
3. That I am saying something wrong about you without believing it to be true.
That's number 1.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am Is it really that hard, dummy?
It's not hard at all, but it's extremely uncharitable. Which is why I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt, and recognize that you are talking about your imagination of me and not about me.

Is charity a foreign concept to you?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:23 am
You mean like you are deluding yourself about me being 30 meters tall?
How pathetic.
Don't be so uncharitable to yourself. You were just imagining me being 30 meters tall.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am
by Magnus Anderson
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:52 amNot sure how you guys got here but 'the present state of the universe' is a very funny category-error answer to a where question, especially when it is claimed this is a portion of the universe.
You're missing the point ( again. ) "The present state of the universe" is NOT my answer to the question "Where is the unicorn"? It's my answer to the question "What portion of reality are you talking about when you say that unicorns exist?" "Where is the unicorn?" is a dumb question that requires no answer ( in fact, one that demands to remain unanswered. ) The guy is saying that, because unicorns do not exist, I am talking about nothing at all. That's nonsense. The portion of reality that I am talking about is the present state of the universe. That's very clearly something that exists. I am NOT talking about any particular unicorn or a set of unicorns.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:52 am
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:52 amNot sure how you guys got here but 'the present state of the universe' is a very funny category-error answer to a where question, especially when it is claimed this is a portion of the universe.
You're missing the point ( again. ) "The present state of the universe" is NOT my answer to the question "Where is the unicorn"? It's my answer to the question "What portion of reality are you talking about when you say that unicorns exist?"
The state of the universe is not a "portion" of reality.

It's the whole reality.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am The guy is saying that, because unicorns do not exist, I am talking about nothing at all.
Strawman. Learn to read/understand.

It's because the unicorn you are talking about exists (which I am accepting to be true) is why I am asking you to tell me WHERE it exists.

Only if you can't locate this unicorn; or you tell me that it isn't to be found ANYWHERE then that necessarily means the unicorn doesn't exist.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am That's nonsense. The portion of reality that I am talking about is the present state of the universe.
That's not a "portion" of reality.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am That's very clearly something that exists. I am NOT talking about any particular unicorn or a set of unicorns.
You are contradicting yourself. The claim that unicorns exist is the very claim that at least one unicorn exists in the entire state of the universe.

Given the entire universe WHERE is this unicorn? If you can't find it anywhere - why are you saying that it exists?

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:11 pm
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:44 am What portion of reality are you talking about when you say that unicorns exist?
Imbecille, lets make it really really easy for you.

Where is the portion of reality which convinced you that unicorns exist?

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:25 pm
by Magnus Anderson
Magnus Anderson wrote:Nah, I am not talking about a unicorn.
Skepdick wrote:Then why are you using the word "unicorn" ?
I am using it to describe what I'm talking about. When I say "Mary's eyes are blue", I am not talking about "blue", I am merely using the word "blue" to describe what I am actually talking about -- the color of Mary's eyes.

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:30 pm
by Skepdick
Magnus Anderson wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:25 pm
Magnus Anderson wrote:Nah, I am not talking about a unicorn.
Skepdick wrote:Then why are you using the word "unicorn" ?
I am using it to describe what I'm talking about.
So which part of the universe are you describing with the word "unicorn"?

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:32 pm
by Magnus Anderson
Skepdick wrote: The state of the universe is not a "portion" of reality.

It's the whole reality.
Pointless remarks that serve no purpose other than to distract. Nitpicking. Pedantics.
Given the entire universe WHERE is this unicorn? If you can't find it anywhere - why are you saying that it exists?
You need to learn how to communicate, annoying manchild. Asking one and the same question over and over again is not the right way to do so, especially after you've been told that your question isn't perceived as a relevant one. You're asking the other side to do the irrational thing -- to answer a question they don't perceive as worthy of their answer. Instead of doing that, how about actually proving that your question is relevant? Or at least making an effort to understand what your question is perceived as irrelevant?
Where is the portion of reality which convinced you that unicorns exist?
Who said that I am convinced that unicorns exist?

Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:33 pm
by Magnus Anderson
Skepdick wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:30 pmSo which part of the universe are you describing with the word "unicorn"?
I am using the term "contains at least one unicorn" to describe "the present state of the universe".