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:lol:

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You missed one.

Trump and his whole family ground into dust by the machine.

Shades of another coup.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:51 pm ex6t9x4u77561.png
That seems a fair assessment. However fore warned might be forearmed.
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Belinda wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:01 pm How could a violent mob manage to get past Security? There must be an inquiry into who was in charge of security. This was the USA, not some Balkan disaster!
Their system of defense was overwhelmed.

Cloward-Piven, impossible demand strategy.
(That's only okay to use when it's the Left using it.)

Same situation as the US Mexican border.

They should probably build a tall wall around the capitol building to keep out the deplorables who might break in again.

There's a lot of deplorables in the US, and even a small fraction of that is a lot.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:28 pm Tell me, Walker, what did you eat today?
Your lunch.
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Here’s another fellow with a critical mind.
Another voice of truth interpreting data, not suppressing data.
Since folks don’t bother with links …

Quote:

As a preface, let there be no doubt that those who violated the law, acted violently, trespassed federal grounds on Wednesday, January 6, should be prosecuted and punished as prescribed by law for their crimes just as Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and other criminals who brought violence, destruction, bloodshed, and mayhem to Portland, Seattle, and so many other American cities during the months leading up to the presidential election should be arrested, prosecuted, and punished as the law demands for their crimes.

If President Trump truly had sought to incite an insurrection, he would have urged his followers to come to Washington and to arm themselves to the teeth with their most powerful firearms.

With the courts and Congress now having moved, affirmatively and by default, towards confirming Joe Biden as America’s 46th President, the Left — Democrats, the Mainstream Media, Hollywood, Academia — have less than a fortnight to disseminate Big Lies about President Donald Trump. The riot in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, January 6, afforded them such an opportunity, perhaps their last great chance during this first Trump presidential term. And so Big Lie #Infinity: Donald Trump incited an insurrection aimed at a coup.

It is a Lie. A Big Lie. And like all Big Lies, it nevertheless will continue, as has the Charlottesville Big Lie, as has the AOC Big Lie that the earth will end in exactly ten years. Such Big Lies continue until, somehow, they finally disappear.

In Israel in March 1952, only four years after the country was founded, Opposition Leader Menachem Begin led an angry public demonstration against the decision of the Marxist-Socialist Labor government of Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to accept “Holocaust reparations” from the West German government. Begin believed, as did his half of the nation, that despite the newborn country’s desperate need for capital, Jewish dignity demanded refusing that money, that Jewish blood could not be bought off. Speaking in the Knesset, Opposition Leader Begin said inter alia
:
This will be a war of life or death….

Go surround the Knesset, as in the days of Rome. When the Romans wanted to set up an idol in the Holy Temple the Jews came from all corners of the country, surrounded the building and said, “Over our dead bodies.” To this Knesset, I say there are things in life that are worse than death….

We will give our lives. We will give our families. We will say good-bye to our children. But we will not accept money from Germany. I know that you [Ben Gurion’s government] have power. You have prisons, camps, an army, police force, detectives, artillery and machine guns. I know you can drag me off to a concentration camp. We will sit together with them. If necessary we will die together with them. But we will not accept reparations from Germany.

For that speech, Menachem Begin was suspended from the Knesset for three months, the longest such parliamentary suspension in Israeli history. The public demonstration that followed, which was taking place less than a decade since the Holocaust, was attended by throngs of Holocaust survivors and by surviving relatives of Holocaust martyrs. Indeed the Nazis had murdered Begin’s own parents and his older brother, Herzl. The mass gathering turned into a melee. After five hours of rioting, police managed to suppress the riots using water cannons and tear gas. Hundreds were arrested, while some 200 rioters, 140 police officers — and several Knesset members — were injured. In reaction to the riot, and for cynical political gain, the Marxist-Socialist Ben-Gurion accused Menachem Begin of leading an “insurrection.” But there was no insurrection. The accusation was pure Leftist political defamation, aimed at permanently discrediting a great civil libertarian, advocate for freedom, and accomplished jurist who later would sign and honor a peace deal with Egypt. After the initial Leftist media storm, Begin overcame that Big Lie and eventually rose to become Prime Minister of Israel. (Footnote: Germany ended up paying Israel $822 million in reparations, excluding incalculable pain and suffering, for property and monetary damages recorded between $10-12 billion.)

President Trump now faces the exact same Big Lie, and in time he will rebound from it likewise. If President Trump truly had sought to incite an insurrection, he would have urged his followers to come to Washington and to arm themselves to the teeth with their most powerful firearms. He explicitly would have urged them to break into Congress, to take hostages. Instead of Trump’s most extreme followers sitting in Nancy Pelosi’s chair, with legs and shoes on the office desk in the style of Obama in the White House, they would have grabbed her and killed her. They would have grabbed Schumer and Schiff. They would have grabbed Ocasio and Omar and Tlaib. There would have been blood. At the very least, there would have been widespread confrontations with Senators and Congressional representatives like the chaos when anti-Kavanaugh protesters invaded the Capitol.

The reality is that the anarchists of Antifa and violent Leftist extremists of Black Lives Matter — and their Democrat, Mainstream Media, Hollywood, and Academia apologists — changed the rules of protest in America. Martin Luther King taught us in the 1950s and 1960s about non-violent civil disobedience, and that became an American social norm for protest. It inspired everyone thereafter from Fathers Daniel and Phillip Berrigan to the Student Struggle for Soviet Jewry. Think of Joan Baez, Pete Seeger, and Peter, Paul, and Mary playing folk songs at peaceful sit-ins. Think of Shlomo Carlebach, Safam, and MBD playing songs at 250,000-strong Solidarity Day marches in Washington calling for Jewish freedom from Communism. By contrast, this past year we saw one of the two major political parties unabashedly excuse and allow for Antifa destruction and Black Lives Matter violence, burning cities and violently attacking police. It evolved into a tragic, newly accepted norm of American protest. Democrat big city mayors not only excused rioters’ brutal street violence, but even allowed anarchists to control whole street blocks of their cities. Even in blue lockdown states where masks and social distancing were legally mandated, special dispensation excused BLM and Antifa rioters as they broke windows, looted stores, and tore down monuments of Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, other abolitionists — even defacing a memorial to Raoul Wallenberg who gave his life defying Nazis. When Republicans like Senator and Ms. Rand Paul departed from the Trump nomination acceptance at the White House, they almost were killed by leftist rioters, while the police proved virtually useless and the D.C. mayor refused to call in the National Guard. This horrible derogation of duty signaled a perilous new social norm.

Everyone knew in advance that Wednesday’s demonstration would be angry. It was the protestors’ very last chance to protest the Electoral College ratification of Joe Biden as our 46th President. Yet the same local governmental incompetence allowed Wednesday’s demonstrators to find themselves facing an almost absent and remarkably fickle police presence. Look at this video of the moment the Capitol was invaded. Where was the massive police and security presence that should have been on hand? Where was the National Guard? The sergeant-at-arms has more than 800 employees who run security for the Capitol, while Capitol Police have 2,300 employees and officers. Beyond that, Metro police can be called. The rally was massive. If these people had come for insurrection, enormous blood would have been spilled. Instead, as evidenced by the video, relatively few removed the barricades, and the rest just followed the flow without any plan.

Words like “treason” and “insurrection” — so irresponsibly bandied about by the Left — have meaning. For goodness sakes, this was not Harpers Ferry and a John Brown attempted insurrection. The President did not incite anything of the sort. Rather, he truly believes, in his heart of hearts, that the November 2020 election has been stolen. Many very intelligent, very reasonable, very prominent, scholarly, pin-headed academics and legal experts agree with him absolutely. We never will know fully how many opinion leaders and shapers in total agree with him because, in the Cancel Culture that now is America, they have to toe a careful line in how they express their beliefs and argue their case. We have seen a prominent law partner of twenty years forced out of a storied major law firm, Foley and Lardner, because she stood by Trump. Even if we say that Sidney Powell is nuts and that Rudy Giuliani has had better years, there are too many other brilliant, cautious, pensive, contemplative scholars who absolutely are persuaded by the data and evidence that the election was stolen. When Americans express deep-seated beliefs, sometimes at peril of their careers, that their government is being stolen, that is not treason but patriotism. It was not “treason” when Democrats challenged the Florida chad count in 2000 and thereafter sported bumper stickers on their cars in 2004 saying “Re-Defeat George Bush.” Nor has it been improper to raise questions these past two months.

There have been so many articles published in so many refereed and respected journals — including this one — that have aggregated the evidence, including much circumstantial, that the election was treif — i.e., not kosher. That is why real democracies, not mere “People’s Republics” — simply do not have universal mail-in balloting. Such a vote, by definition, necessarily is suspect. In Israel, for example, the only people who may mail in their ballots are (i) diplomats stationed overseas, (ii) military personnel stationed away from home, (iii) prisoners otherwise permitted to vote, and (iv) hospital patients unable to leave their beds. Everyone else has to show up in person at the polling site. And so it goes throughout the world’s great democracies — countries do not allow mass mail-in balloting. A report published by the U.S. Department of Justice concluded:

There are fraud problems with mail-in absentee ballots but the problems with universal mail-in ballots are much more significant. Still most countries ban even absentee ballots for people living in their countries.

Most developed countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban absentee for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.

France has made an exception this year to the ban on absentee ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven’t changed their regulations.

Once the system of voting breaks, the entire democratic enterprise is bankrupted. America’s democratic republic already has become deeply damaged by a refusal to require in-person voter identification even when voting is done at the ballot box. This refusal has only one purpose: to shield and suborn voter fraud. Younger Americans who want to buy cigarettes or alcohol are carded. Older Americans likewise are carded at museums and movie theaters when they seek seniors’ discounts. Americans are asked for identification at the airport, at the doctor’s office and hospital, at the bank. It is natural in every society on the planet to be asked for identification. Thus the Left’s insistence on uniquely not allowing voter identification at the polling site belies corrupt intent.

Donald Trump believes he was robbed. So do many of his followers. Indeed, not only the vast majority of Republican voters in America — some 70 percent or more of his 75 million voters, comprising more than 50 million Americans at least — but also between 10 percent and 30 percent of Democrats believe the election was stolen; either figure is remarkably high. So Trump urged his supporters to come to Washington in the frigid cold of a January Washington winter to demonstrate their support for him and for his insistence. And they came out. It was a demonstration — to demonstrate widespread massive support for his insistence that the election was stolen. There was no Madonna intimating blowing up the White House.

As can happen, and sometimes does — witness the Left’s anti-Kavanaugh demonstrations that included confronting and badgering Senators in the Halls of Congress and attempting to bang down the Supreme Court’s front doors — the January 6 rally got out of hand and became a riot. Some of the more-intense people, after a year of watching Antifa and Black Lives Matter gatherings devolve into riots, decided on their own that their turn had come to storm the building that was the object of their scorn and anger. An important lesson is learned once again: what goes around comes around. When the Left condones unacceptable behavior from its corner, it often will find that one day it will rue that decision when copied by its adversaries.

President Trump urged the demonstrators to come. He spoke to them in the passionate tones that he always speaks, all the more so when he felt that an election was stolen from him. Again, he is not alone in that belief. And then he urged them to go home. He did not ask nor encourage nor hint that they should invade Congress. It is a Big Lie to say otherwise. In a world where the Leftist Media and the Social Media Oligarchy control what the public hears, this Big Lie will take on Charlottesville dimensions. But it is a terrible lie to say, even to suggest, that Trump incited the invasion of the Congress building or sought insurrection. And if he invests the next four years in seeking and accepting wise counsel to learn humbly from his first term’s successes and mistakes, he will be back just as Menachem Begin, Winston Churchill, and even Grover Cleveland rebounded.

- Rabbi Dov Fischer, Esq.
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Walker wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:16 am Here’s another fellow with a critical mind.
Another voice of truth interpreting data, not suppressing data.
Since folks don’t bother with links …

Quote:

As a preface, let there be no doubt that those who violated the law, acted violently, trespassed federal grounds on Wednesday, January 6, should be prosecuted and punished as prescribed by law for their crimes just as Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and other criminals who brought violence, destruction, bloodshed, and mayhem to Portland, Seattle, and so many other American cities during the months leading up to the presidential election should be arrested, prosecuted, and punished as the law demands for their crimes.

If President Trump truly had sought to incite an insurrection, he would have urged his followers to come to Washington and to arm themselves to the teeth with their most powerful firearms.

With the courts and Congress now having moved, affirmatively and by default, towards confirming Joe Biden as America’s 46th President, the Left — Democrats, the Mainstream Media, Hollywood, Academia — have less than a fortnight to disseminate Big Lies about President Donald Trump. The riot in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, January 6, afforded them such an opportunity, perhaps their last great chance during this first Trump presidential term. And so Big Lie #Infinity: Donald Trump incited an insurrection aimed at a coup.

It is a Lie. A Big Lie. And like all Big Lies, it nevertheless will continue, as has the Charlottesville Big Lie, as has the AOC Big Lie that the earth will end in exactly ten years. Such Big Lies continue until, somehow, they finally disappear.

In Israel in March 1952, only four years after the country was founded, Opposition Leader Menachem Begin led an angry public demonstration against the decision of the Marxist-Socialist Labor government of Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to accept “Holocaust reparations” from the West German government. Begin believed, as did his half of the nation, that despite the newborn country’s desperate need for capital, Jewish dignity demanded refusing that money, that Jewish blood could not be bought off. Speaking in the Knesset, Opposition Leader Begin said inter alia
:
This will be a war of life or death….

Go surround the Knesset, as in the days of Rome. When the Romans wanted to set up an idol in the Holy Temple the Jews came from all corners of the country, surrounded the building and said, “Over our dead bodies.” To this Knesset, I say there are things in life that are worse than death….

We will give our lives. We will give our families. We will say good-bye to our children. But we will not accept money from Germany. I know that you [Ben Gurion’s government] have power. You have prisons, camps, an army, police force, detectives, artillery and machine guns. I know you can drag me off to a concentration camp. We will sit together with them. If necessary we will die together with them. But we will not accept reparations from Germany.

For that speech, Menachem Begin was suspended from the Knesset for three months, the longest such parliamentary suspension in Israeli history. The public demonstration that followed, which was taking place less than a decade since the Holocaust, was attended by throngs of Holocaust survivors and by surviving relatives of Holocaust martyrs. Indeed the Nazis had murdered Begin’s own parents and his older brother, Herzl. The mass gathering turned into a melee. After five hours of rioting, police managed to suppress the riots using water cannons and tear gas. Hundreds were arrested, while some 200 rioters, 140 police officers — and several Knesset members — were injured. In reaction to the riot, and for cynical political gain, the Marxist-Socialist Ben-Gurion accused Menachem Begin of leading an “insurrection.” But there was no insurrection. The accusation was pure Leftist political defamation, aimed at permanently discrediting a great civil libertarian, advocate for freedom, and accomplished jurist who later would sign and honor a peace deal with Egypt. After the initial Leftist media storm, Begin overcame that Big Lie and eventually rose to become Prime Minister of Israel. (Footnote: Germany ended up paying Israel $822 million in reparations, excluding incalculable pain and suffering, for property and monetary damages recorded between $10-12 billion.)

President Trump now faces the exact same Big Lie, and in time he will rebound from it likewise. If President Trump truly had sought to incite an insurrection, he would have urged his followers to come to Washington and to arm themselves to the teeth with their most powerful firearms. He explicitly would have urged them to break into Congress, to take hostages. Instead of Trump’s most extreme followers sitting in Nancy Pelosi’s chair, with legs and shoes on the office desk in the style of Obama in the White House, they would have grabbed her and killed her. They would have grabbed Schumer and Schiff. They would have grabbed Ocasio and Omar and Tlaib. There would have been blood. At the very least, there would have been widespread confrontations with Senators and Congressional representatives like the chaos when anti-Kavanaugh protesters invaded the Capitol.

The reality is that the anarchists of Antifa and violent Leftist extremists of Black Lives Matter — and their Democrat, Mainstream Media, Hollywood, and Academia apologists — changed the rules of protest in America. Martin Luther King taught us in the 1950s and 1960s about non-violent civil disobedience, and that became an American social norm for protest. It inspired everyone thereafter from Fathers Daniel and Phillip Berrigan to the Student Struggle for Soviet Jewry. Think of Joan Baez, Pete Seeger, and Peter, Paul, and Mary playing folk songs at peaceful sit-ins. Think of Shlomo Carlebach, Safam, and MBD playing songs at 250,000-strong Solidarity Day marches in Washington calling for Jewish freedom from Communism. By contrast, this past year we saw one of the two major political parties unabashedly excuse and allow for Antifa destruction and Black Lives Matter violence, burning cities and violently attacking police. It evolved into a tragic, newly accepted norm of American protest. Democrat big city mayors not only excused rioters’ brutal street violence, but even allowed anarchists to control whole street blocks of their cities. Even in blue lockdown states where masks and social distancing were legally mandated, special dispensation excused BLM and Antifa rioters as they broke windows, looted stores, and tore down monuments of Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, other abolitionists — even defacing a memorial to Raoul Wallenberg who gave his life defying Nazis. When Republicans like Senator and Ms. Rand Paul departed from the Trump nomination acceptance at the White House, they almost were killed by leftist rioters, while the police proved virtually useless and the D.C. mayor refused to call in the National Guard. This horrible derogation of duty signaled a perilous new social norm.

Everyone knew in advance that Wednesday’s demonstration would be angry. It was the protestors’ very last chance to protest the Electoral College ratification of Joe Biden as our 46th President. Yet the same local governmental incompetence allowed Wednesday’s demonstrators to find themselves facing an almost absent and remarkably fickle police presence. Look at this video of the moment the Capitol was invaded. Where was the massive police and security presence that should have been on hand? Where was the National Guard? The sergeant-at-arms has more than 800 employees who run security for the Capitol, while Capitol Police have 2,300 employees and officers. Beyond that, Metro police can be called. The rally was massive. If these people had come for insurrection, enormous blood would have been spilled. Instead, as evidenced by the video, relatively few removed the barricades, and the rest just followed the flow without any plan.

Words like “treason” and “insurrection” — so irresponsibly bandied about by the Left — have meaning. For goodness sakes, this was not Harpers Ferry and a John Brown attempted insurrection. The President did not incite anything of the sort. Rather, he truly believes, in his heart of hearts, that the November 2020 election has been stolen. Many very intelligent, very reasonable, very prominent, scholarly, pin-headed academics and legal experts agree with him absolutely. We never will know fully how many opinion leaders and shapers in total agree with him because, in the Cancel Culture that now is America, they have to toe a careful line in how they express their beliefs and argue their case. We have seen a prominent law partner of twenty years forced out of a storied major law firm, Foley and Lardner, because she stood by Trump. Even if we say that Sidney Powell is nuts and that Rudy Giuliani has had better years, there are too many other brilliant, cautious, pensive, contemplative scholars who absolutely are persuaded by the data and evidence that the election was stolen. When Americans express deep-seated beliefs, sometimes at peril of their careers, that their government is being stolen, that is not treason but patriotism. It was not “treason” when Democrats challenged the Florida chad count in 2000 and thereafter sported bumper stickers on their cars in 2004 saying “Re-Defeat George Bush.” Nor has it been improper to raise questions these past two months.

There have been so many articles published in so many refereed and respected journals — including this one — that have aggregated the evidence, including much circumstantial, that the election was treif — i.e., not kosher. That is why real democracies, not mere “People’s Republics” — simply do not have universal mail-in balloting. Such a vote, by definition, necessarily is suspect. In Israel, for example, the only people who may mail in their ballots are (i) diplomats stationed overseas, (ii) military personnel stationed away from home, (iii) prisoners otherwise permitted to vote, and (iv) hospital patients unable to leave their beds. Everyone else has to show up in person at the polling site. And so it goes throughout the world’s great democracies — countries do not allow mass mail-in balloting. A report published by the U.S. Department of Justice concluded:

There are fraud problems with mail-in absentee ballots but the problems with universal mail-in ballots are much more significant. Still most countries ban even absentee ballots for people living in their countries.

Most developed countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban absentee for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.

France has made an exception this year to the ban on absentee ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven’t changed their regulations.

Once the system of voting breaks, the entire democratic enterprise is bankrupted. America’s democratic republic already has become deeply damaged by a refusal to require in-person voter identification even when voting is done at the ballot box. This refusal has only one purpose: to shield and suborn voter fraud. Younger Americans who want to buy cigarettes or alcohol are carded. Older Americans likewise are carded at museums and movie theaters when they seek seniors’ discounts. Americans are asked for identification at the airport, at the doctor’s office and hospital, at the bank. It is natural in every society on the planet to be asked for identification. Thus the Left’s insistence on uniquely not allowing voter identification at the polling site belies corrupt intent.

Donald Trump believes he was robbed. So do many of his followers. Indeed, not only the vast majority of Republican voters in America — some 70 percent or more of his 75 million voters, comprising more than 50 million Americans at least — but also between 10 percent and 30 percent of Democrats believe the election was stolen; either figure is remarkably high. So Trump urged his supporters to come to Washington in the frigid cold of a January Washington winter to demonstrate their support for him and for his insistence. And they came out. It was a demonstration — to demonstrate widespread massive support for his insistence that the election was stolen. There was no Madonna intimating blowing up the White House.

As can happen, and sometimes does — witness the Left’s anti-Kavanaugh demonstrations that included confronting and badgering Senators in the Halls of Congress and attempting to bang down the Supreme Court’s front doors — the January 6 rally got out of hand and became a riot. Some of the more-intense people, after a year of watching Antifa and Black Lives Matter gatherings devolve into riots, decided on their own that their turn had come to storm the building that was the object of their scorn and anger. An important lesson is learned once again: what goes around comes around. When the Left condones unacceptable behavior from its corner, it often will find that one day it will rue that decision when copied by its adversaries.

President Trump urged the demonstrators to come. He spoke to them in the passionate tones that he always speaks, all the more so when he felt that an election was stolen from him. Again, he is not alone in that belief. And then he urged them to go home. He did not ask nor encourage nor hint that they should invade Congress. It is a Big Lie to say otherwise. In a world where the Leftist Media and the Social Media Oligarchy control what the public hears, this Big Lie will take on Charlottesville dimensions. But it is a terrible lie to say, even to suggest, that Trump incited the invasion of the Congress building or sought insurrection. And if he invests the next four years in seeking and accepting wise counsel to learn humbly from his first term’s successes and mistakes, he will be back just as Menachem Begin, Winston Churchill, and even Grover Cleveland rebounded.

- Rabbi Dov Fischer, Esq.
Good article, but unfortunately objectivism no longer exists in the US and increasingly the rest of the world. Would you have posted this if you did NOT like Trump, if you were 'left of centre' rather than 'conservative'? We are living in a world where people think facts change depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on.
What is true doesn't matter any more.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:38 am
Good article, but unfortunately objectivism no longer exists in the US and increasingly the rest of the world. Would you have posted this if you did NOT like Trump, if you were 'left of centre' rather than 'conservative'? We are living in a world where people think facts change depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on.
What is true doesn't matter any more.
The article is not true because I agree with it.
I agree with it because it is true.
It is not true because of the writer, or the publisher.
It’s true because it is sound reasoning based on facts.

If the reasoning based on facts does not agree with Leftist ideology, then that is the shifting sand of relativity that you’re referencing. That makes ideology the measure, replacing the proper measure of truth derived from facts.

This is the justification for censorship and PC control of another's behavior.

Trump is now banned from Twitter for life, Twitter being his main tool of communicating directly with the people.
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Walker wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:00 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:38 am
Good article, but unfortunately objectivism no longer exists in the US and increasingly the rest of the world. Would you have posted this if you did NOT like Trump, if you were 'left of centre' rather than 'conservative'? We are living in a world where people think facts change depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on.
What is true doesn't matter any more.
The article is not true because I agree with it.
I agree with it because it is true.
It is not true because of the writer, or the publisher.
It’s true because it is sound reasoning based on facts.

If the reasoning based on facts does not agree with Leftist ideology, then that is the shifting sand of relativity that you’re referencing. That makes ideology the measure, replacing the proper measure of truth derived from facts.

This is the justification for censorship and PC control of another's behavior.

Trump is now banned from Twitter for life, Twitter being his main tool of communicating directly with the people.
That stinks, but Twitter bans people for pretty much anything. It's a vile platform. Trump can always blog, I don't know if someone's personal blog can be shut down.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:18 am That stinks, but Twitter bans people for pretty much anything. It's a vile platform. Trump can always blog, I don't know if someone's personal blog can be shut down.
I’ve never used Twitter, or Facebook. I looked around and found this rationale for censorship.

“Guy Rosen, Facebook's vice president of integrity, tweeted: "This is an emergency situation and we are taking appropriate emergency measures, including removing President Trump's video." He added: ‘We believe it contributes to rather than diminishes the risk of ongoing violence.’"

It stinks because in principle, this Guy Rosen fellow could be a foreign agent, with interests contrary to national interests. This is important because the president has the job of protecting the country from enemies foreign and domestic.

Although, with China and US so interwoven in business and politicians, that principle is apparently turning into a quaint notion. Because of circumstances with some politicians personally feeding off of China, that quaint notion could also turn those politicians into enemies of the US.

This is why Pelosi is so hot to impeach Trump right now. He has the power to declassify all information and expose Chinese bedfellows in Congress. I'm not sure if that power is suspended during impeachment proceedings.

I wonder if these corporations also have Vice Presidents of Truth, or Vice Presidents of How the United States Should Be Governed. That second one may be too long a title for her/her, his/his, his/her, her/his, or he/she letterhead.

A very important fact that is not being discussed is the answer to:
Who is running the Democratic Party now?

Deplorables know the answer.
Everyone has seen a display of the consequences.
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Walker wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:16 am
It is a Lie. A Big Lie. And like all Big Lies,
This sounds like words straight out of your "leader's" mouth. Are they?
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There was no need for Trump to lead an insurrection because the social conditions that cause dissatisfaction with the ruling regime and the intellectuals will not be going away until and unless there is a huge shift towards social equality in the US.

Unemployment, racism,certain excesses of capitalism such as American prisons, and lack of basic social welfare and health care for all at point of need, need to be addressed with great efficiency. If this is not done the mob will remain dissatisfied and look to a dictatorship to bring about change.

Trump is not such a fool that he does not know this. He will bide his time.
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Re: The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

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Walker wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:20 pm
tillingborn wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:20 pmSome of that is true, but you say "I'm bright enough know who the Big Guy is." You don't know who the Big Guy is, and you are not bright enough even to follow your own logic.
Joe Biden.
Again:
tillingborn wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:24 pmThe evidence is compelling, but not conclusive. You have jumped to a conclusion; that is why people like you don't make it through law school.
Walker wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:20 pmI'm not bound to your misunderstanding of logic.
Indeed, first you would have to escape your own misunderstanding.
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Re: The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

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Have you seen the video of Trump and friends watch the riot on TV, at a drinks party?

The irony. The Botox woman says "now's the time to do the right thing; FIGHT". The only thing she is trying to fight is the ravages of age on her ugly face; and the contents of a tall G&T.
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Re: The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

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Trump supporters are: angry
Trump supporters are: violent
Trump supporters are: stupid
Trump supporters are: frustrated
Trump supporters are: pissed off with gummint, but to stupid and lazy to properly contribute.
Trump supporters are: hate democracy
Trump supporters are: are self loathing
Trump supporters are: hate American values.
Trump supporters are: racists
Trump supporters are: deluded
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Re: The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

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They are watching the rally, BEFORE the riot actually.
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