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Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 am
''We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him.'' Simone Weil

He who has knowledge will know Good and Evil. Will know Wretchedness and Bliss....Prior to KNOWLEDGE all knowledge is being observed by that which is without knowledge of the conceptual dream arising in it, and yet knows every concept as and when it arises as the dream becomes apparent to the observer..

God is the all knowing observer of knowledge which is a dream within God's infinite mind.

Obviously, we can only know the God of our own understanding and there is nothing wrong within any of these understandings because in God's dream, HE CAN APPEAR as anything and everything according to God's program.

Obviously humans can't fly because they have not been designed to fly, and so man is also a part of the dream story in the infinite mind of God. In another part of the dream story there are flying creatures...so life is basically what it is and could never be any different to what it is.

God only appears as an apparition in form, in image..the image of himself the invisible imageless nameless one.

No child is born evil or good or wretched or blissed out...these are are all attributes within the dream of separation aka KNOWLEDGE

God is the blank screen (observer) on which the movie plays, inseparable from the movie, God is undefiled by the movie as the movie comes and goes in him while he stays ever untouched...like space itself.
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Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:15 pm Age

The idea behind this is because when 'you' are able to answer the question, Who am 'I' properly and correctly, then the True Self is known and understood. Thy True Self IS God.

Satan tried this approach and found his true self wasn't God.

How do you know this happened?

What 'approach' are you talking about?

Who/what is 'satan' and who/what is 'God'?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:15 pmIMO this idea that "I am God" is without the sense of scale and relativity necessary for understanding what we ARE.

What do you mean by "without the sense of scale and relativity necessary"?

And, who/what is the 'we' you are referring to here?

If the 'we' you are referring to is just 'you', human beings, then understanding what 'human beings' ARE is easy to KNOW and UNDERSTAND.

By the way 'I am God' is at the sense of scale and relativity of thee Universe, Itself. In other words at the scale of ABSOLUTE and PERFECTION.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:15 pmTo be in the image of God isn't God.

Human beings are in the image of God. But human beings are NOT who the True Self God 'I' IS.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:15 pmTo believe so destroys the image and its conscious potential.

To BELIEVE any thing, in my view is just plain ridiculous. But, to BELIEVE that A human being is God would be even more ridiculous.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 am Age

The idea behind this is because when 'you' are able to answer the question, Who am 'I' properly and correctly, then the True Self is known and understood. Thy True Self IS God.

We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him. Simone Weil

Age asserts: I am or my true self is God.

I have NEVER said, " 'my' true self ". I, however, probably said some thing like, " 'Thy' Self ", or, "thee or thy True Self". Unless, of course, you can show evidence to the contrary.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 amSimone asserts that the only thing we can know is that God is what we are not. IYO who do you believe is right?

I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing. I, however, KNOW I am Right.

To me, the way you talk about 'simone", it is like they are God, to you.

I also have always asserted, by the way, that God is what 'you', human beings, are not. I also already KNOW that human beings can know far more than the ONLY thing than what "simone" asserts 'you', human being can ONLY know.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 am
Age asserts: I am or my true self is God. Simone asserts that the only thing we can know is that God is what we are not. IYO who do you believe is right?

God is ineffable.
So are you.
Dichotomy resolved.

(more here)
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Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 am
Age asserts: I am or my true self is God. Simone asserts that the only thing we can know is that God is what we are not. IYO who do you believe is right?

God is ineffable.
So are you.
Dichotomy resolved.

But 'God' IS very simple and can be very simply expressed in words, very easily.

The definition and answers to who and what 'God', 'you', 'we', and 'I' ARE and AM can also be expressed in words very simply and very easily. This is because NONE of these things are to great nor to extreme to be expressed or described in words.

It is ALL very simple and easy REALLY.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:03 pm(more here)
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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:36 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:33 am
''We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him.'' Simone Weil

He who has knowledge will know Good and Evil. Will know Wretchedness and Bliss....Prior to KNOWLEDGE all knowledge is being observed by that which is without knowledge of the conceptual dream arising in it, and yet knows every concept as and when it arises as the dream becomes apparent to the observer..

God is the all knowing observer of knowledge which is a dream within God's infinite mind.

Obviously, we can only know the God of our own understanding and there is nothing wrong within any of these understandings because in God's dream, HE CAN APPEAR as anything and everything according to God's program.

Obviously humans can't fly because they have not been designed to fly, and so man is also a part of the dream story in the infinite mind of God. In another part of the dream story there are flying creatures...so life is basically what it is and could never be any different to what it is.

God only appears as an apparition in form, in image..the image of himself the invisible imageless nameless one.

No child is born evil or good or wretched or blissed out...these are are all attributes within the dream of separation aka KNOWLEDGE

God is the blank screen (observer) on which the movie plays, inseparable from the movie, God is undefiled by the movie as the movie comes and goes in him while he stays ever untouched...like space itself.
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Existence is not a dream or the result of a whim of the ineffable. Existence is a result of the interaction of universal laws serving the purpose of existence. The East understands this in its appreciation for the dharma far better than the educated elite in the West. Existence isn't a dream; the body of God is a necessity.

If humanity survives the next hundred years, culture may come to reflect this necessity and the purpose of Man within it. I doubt it since I've learned both in life and online how hated such ideas are. My guess is that human ignorance is destined to hit bottom and I hope I am not around to experience it.

Age

Nick_A wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:33 am
Age

The idea behind this is because when 'you' are able to answer the question, Who am 'I' properly and correctly, then the True Self is known and understood. Thy True Self IS God.

We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him. Simone Weil

Age asserts: I am or my true self is God.
I have NEVER said, " 'my' true self ". I, however, probably said some thing like, " 'Thy' Self ", or, "thee or thy True Self". Unless, of course, you can show evidence to the contrary.

I quoted you writing that when a person asks “who am I correctly the true self is God. This means that you must be God.

This IMO is a very dangerous assumption for the health of a person’s being. You associate yourself with what far exceeds you.

Nick_A wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:33 am
Simone asserts that the only thing we can know is that God is what we are not. IYO who do you believe is right?
I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing. I, however, KNOW I am Right.

You will learn in time that the only human being with the credentials necessary to be always right is an ex wife. It is one of the basic proofs that God is a woman.

To me, the way you talk about 'simone", it is like they are God, to you.

I also have always asserted, by the way, that God is what 'you', human beings, are not. I also already KNOW that human beings can know far more than the ONLY thing than what "simone" asserts 'you', human being can ONLY know.

Simone Weil is not a God. She is one of the few remaining people in the modern world who can be considered seekers of truth as opposed to seekers of prestige acquired through imaginary self justification. People like me learn from this small minority rather than hate them for disturbing the peace.

What do you know which is more true for understanding the reality of human being than the fact that you are not God?

If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear, is he wrong?

he's just making himself a target for the nut throwing squirrels...

-Imp

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pm Age

Nick_A wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:33 am
Age

The idea behind this is because when 'you' are able to answer the question, Who am 'I' properly and correctly, then the True Self is known and understood. Thy True Self IS God.

We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him. Simone Weil

Age asserts: I am or my true self is God.

age wrote:I have NEVER said, " 'my' true self ". I, however, probably said some thing like, " 'Thy' Self ", or, "thee or thy True Self". Unless, of course, you can show evidence to the contrary.

I quoted you writing that when a person asks “who am I correctly the true self is God. This means that you must be God.

You are so far-off track now.

IF you are going to 'quote' me, then you HAVE TO use the actual words that I USE. Otherwise what happens is things get to easily taken out of context, and misinterpreted, and then a misunderstanding can occur to quickly, as is the case here now.

If you do not quote me word for word EXACTLY, but instead quote me from what you recall me saying, then way to simply and easily my meaning becomes WRONG. For an example, just look above.

Now, I wrote above, "I NEVER said, " 'my' true self ", (which is what you did say that I did write). So now you could prove me WRONG by directing us to where I said this, OR thee Truth IS - I NEVER said that.

By you misquoting me by adding the 'my' word in, takes what I actually said completely out of context, which then leads to a complete misinterpretation, and a complete misunderstanding also very quickly and very easily, which can then lead you to making other WRONG assumptions like; Below.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pmThis IMO is a very dangerous assumption for the health of a person’s being. You associate yourself with what far exceeds you.

And you completely ASSUMING I said some thing when I have obviously NOT, some could suggest is the sign of some mental healths issue also.

Here is a suggestion, that is; if you answer this question correctly: Why not just ask clarifying questions BEFORE you start making up ASSUMPTIONS and BEFORE you start jumping to WRONG conclusions, like you have here?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pm

age wrote:

Nick_A wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:33 am
Simone asserts that the only thing we can know is that God is what we are not. IYO who do you believe is right?

I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing. I, however, KNOW I am Right.

You will learn in time that the only human being with the credentials necessary to be always right is an ex wife. It is one of the basic proofs that God is a woman.

If you can not stick with the actual Truth of things, then why start discussing?

If you want to 'try to' use humor, then that is fine, but especially in a philosophy forum, either ALSO counter what is said with some thing factual, acknowledge that you accept and agree with what is said, or just ask for clarification.

Implying that what is said is wrong, but then not actually countering it with a true fact says nothing at all really.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pm

To me, the way you talk about 'simone", it is like they are God, to you.

I also have always asserted, by the way, that God is what 'you', human beings, are not. I also already KNOW that human beings can know far more than the ONLY thing than what "simone" asserts 'you', human being can ONLY know.

Simone Weil is not a God.

I KNOW, which is already clearly evidenced by the words I just used.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pmShe is one of the few remaining people in the modern world who can be considered seekers of truth as opposed to seekers of prestige acquired through imaginary self justification.

Answer the question 'Why are you and why do 'you', human beings, STILL 'seek truth'? honestly, then that will help you to discover HOW to find the actual Truth of things.

The very reason WHY 'you', human beings, are still seeking truth is because of the very thing that EVERY one of you adults jeep continually doing.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pmPeople like me learn from this small minority rather than hate them for disturbing the peace.

Why do 'you, human beings, even hate each "other" for anyway?

The is NO logical reason to hate "another" human being anyway. 'you' are ALL essentially the EXACT SAME anyway.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:19 pmWhat do you know which is more true for understanding the reality of human being than the fact that you are not God?

I KNOW who AND what the 'you' is, as well as, who AND what thee 'God' IS.

And, you are Right the Truth IS the 'you' is NOT God.

I quite often just word things in a way so it just appears that I am saying some thing, which REALLY I am NOT.

I do this to highlight the fact that human beings will jump to conclusions and become closed BEFORE they will just remain OPEN so that they could find out what thee actual Truth of things IS instead.

The way I word things IS the actual Truth, but HOW my words are perceived can be very misleading. So, only when 'you', human beings, start doing what is necessary to discover AND find the Truth of things, then this is ONLY when thee Truth will be revealed to 'you'.

Age, this is what you wrote:

The idea behind this is because when 'you' are able to answer the question, Who am 'I' properly and correctly, then the True Self is known and understood. Thy True Self IS God.

A person experiences that they keep saying I do this and I do that and finally wonder who is this I that is doing it all so ask "who am I." This is very natural question which rises during a person's life. You wrote that when the question is asked properly then the true self is known and "thy true self is God." How can this be understood other than that you believe your true self is God?

Age


Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:19 pm

People like me learn from this small minority rather than hate them for disturbing the peace.

Why do 'you, human beings, even hate each "other" for anyway?

The is NO logical reason to hate "another" human being anyway. 'you' are ALL essentially the EXACT SAME anyway.

This is a dangerous question and will get people kicked out of Philosophy sites so can only be pursued superficially. Have you ever thought seriously why Jesus and Socrates had to be killed? There is no choice in the matter. Jesus knew he was to be killed from the beginning.

Seriously pondering what they said which had to result in their deaths is a dangerous subject. It is safe to dance around it with platitudes but to really open to why they couldn't be tolerated has to be contemplated by anyone with a sincere need for the truth of man's being. it took me a while to admit to why this apparent absurdity is a reality but once I did, it became clear why the world and all it cruel hypocrisy must continue as it does.

This question is best avoided unless in the presence of those who won't go berzerk when confronted with the reality of human being. So it is best to keep it superficial in normal circumstances so as not to disturb the peace.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:30 pm he's just making himself a target for the nut throwing squirrels...

-Imp

Squirrels aren’t much trouble. Their small, underdeveloped hands make them lousy throwers. On the other hand, those filthy seeing-eye meenkies …

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Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:45 pm
Existence is not a dream or the result of a whim of the ineffable. Existence is a result of the interaction of universal laws serving the purpose of existence. The East understands this in its appreciation for the dharma far better than the educated elite in the West. Existence isn't a dream; the body of God is a necessity.

If humanity survives the next hundred years, culture may come to reflect this necessity and the purpose of Man within it. I doubt it since I've learned both in life and online how hated such ideas are.

There is nothing wrong with the word 'hate' as all conceptual 'knowns' are a necessary requirement toward a fuller measure of inspiration for the next stage in the awakening and progress of humanity. And is why the KNOWLEDGE of opposites was released into the world of DUALITY...aka ( the dream of I ) Two - but not two.
A human being, ordinary in every outward respect is called to be a mouthpiece for God.

Is there anything outside of attention or space….we can add? is there anything outside of existence? OR is there non-existence? if there is non-existence, that means that non-existence exists, which puts non-existence ''inside'' existence... Two, but not two.
You must be even prior to, the source of, and are existence CONSCIOUSNESS.... before Abraham was, I AM ( IS)... Two, but not two.

God is ONE

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:45 pm My guess is that human ignorance is destined to hit bottom and I hope I am not around to experience it.

Then ''let it be''..we're all in this together. God is an earthquake, so what!!? we can't even begin to comprehend the ('why's ) of GOD'S unfathomable ways.

Nothing ever happened in a dream. Before Abraham was, I AM - everything else was/IS.. HISTORY - HIS STORY.

Nick you always seem to be angry at the world! ..perhaps you need to renounce everything you believe about (man's ways) back to God. Why not release all judgment, and surrender your life willingly back to God without fear of losing your own personal self biased egoic interests. I'm not saying kill yourself or allow another to kill you, I'm saying just BE true to yourself, in knowing your own true self you will come to see that nothing can ever harm you. Only when you relinquish any personal control over situations that are not within your personal control,will you come to know true Nirvana and true freedom.

''It's not up to man who is walking even to direct his step. The one who brought you here will take you home. ''

''If you had known Me (Jesus), you also would have known My Father, and from this hour you do know Him and you have seen Him.
John 14:7

Jesus in the above quote confirms that which Advaita teaches. Guru (Jesus) is the full manifestation of God (Brahman) as Atman in Him
For me it's a dualistic way to explain the unexplainable non-dual state which is the nature of God.

You, the 'named ONE' are the second coming. . aka secondary knowledge, the dream of separation. YOU ARE NEVER NOT HERE.
You are the christ consciousness.

If man insists on externalising his true self in the form of "God" then why fear his true self, in fearing "God"?
Just close the gap between yourself and your God.

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