Do you think you know that the Moon exists?

[Age]

If there is no self, then there is no thing to, even try to, put a label onto.

That's what I said, I said, no thing names itself...any apparent naming, is no thing naming itself.

But WHY would 'no thing' even want to put a name to it's self, let alone try to? (I will ignore asking the obvious question; HOW could nothing put a name to itself?)

No one is born with a name... a name comes as a concept...a concept is empty at it's core.

Is the concept of 'peace' and 'love' empty to it's core also?

There is nothing outside of language.

How many words are you going to say there is nothing outside of?

So far there is;
'you'
'consciousness'
'knower'
'perceiver'
'knowing',
and others.

If you going to eventually say that there is nothing outside of absolutely any and every word, and that each word is one with another, then just state this now please.

Langauge is an optical illusion of light and sound..

Here once again things are written as though they outside or separate from other things. How can there be an optical illusion of light and sound if they are not outside of Consciousness?

Either every thing is one with Consciousness and so if there is an alleged "optical illusion", then it is a part of Consciousness, or there are things outside of Consciousness, which portray a sense of an "optical illusion". Now which one is it?

And, WHEN are ALL of the questions posed going to be answered?

heard as words...appearing in silent unnamed consciousness that is not a thing. There are no things/words, there's just no thing being every thing. There is no thing being a thing.

I KNOW what is said under the banner "dontaskme".

Consciousness KNOWS the same thing has been, unsuccessfully, expressed quite a number of times.

Consciousness also states; WHY use words in such a confusing and complex way? Especially when there is absolutely NO reason to do so.

The Truth IS what the label "dontaskme" says can NOT be explained, can BE explained.

No thing has ever seen a conceptual named thing, conceptual known things are images of the imageless...they are illusory appearances of consciousness.

If that is what the one labeled "dontaskme" BELIEVES, then so be it.

Consciousness KNOWS differently.

No thing has ever seen consciousness because consciousness is not a thing seeing..so no concept has ever been seen, a concept is only KNOWN...BY THE ONLY KNOWING THERE IS...consciousness, the unknown knowing.


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Consciousness is lol NOW.

The trouble with 'you', human beings, is that if you, personally, do NOT know some thing yet, then you BELIEVE that no one and nothing else could KNOW it yet also.

The Truth, however, is much different.

Consciousness already KNOWS what "dontaskme" says is the "unknown" knowing.

Obviously if the labeled one "dontaskme" was ONE with Consciousness, then what Consciousness KNOWS would be KNOWN.

"dontaskme" is just not ready to understand this yet. The reason WHY "dontaskme" is NOT yet ready to understand, is already KNOWN by Consciousness.

[Age]

So, WHEN is the one labelled "dontaskme" going to write solely from the perspective of nondual realisation, and STOP writing things like; both ...? If there is ONLY One, then there is NOT both.

One is meaningless without something to relate it to, the relation is purely illusory.

But One is NOT meaningless. To write One is meaningless without something to relate it to is to BELIEVE in some thing that is absolutely FALSE and just another obvious illusion.

If the relation is purely illusory but to state that it is meaningless without the relation, is an illusion itself, obviously.

Both the mirror and it's reflection are inseparable one, appearing as two... mirror/reflection... two but not two.

Is the one that writes under the banner "dontaskme" at all aware that Consciousness already KNOWS the absolute Truth and KNOWS the confusion the words written under the banner "dontaskme" have caused and are causing?

The mirror is consciousness, the reflection is the contents/appearances of consciousness.

It's really that simple.

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It is FAR SIMPLER than that.

A 'mirror' IS a mirror.

'Consciousness' IS Consciousness.

And WHY the labelled "dontaskme" IS still confused, is also KNOWN.

But keep talking and expressing what is BELIEVED to be true, if you BELIEVE that it is helping in some way.

[Dontaskme]

If there is no self, then there is no thing to, even try to, put a label onto.

That's what I said, I said, no thing names itself...any apparent naming, is no thing naming itself.

But WHY would 'no thing' even want to put a name to it's self, let alone try to? (I will ignore asking the obvious question; HOW could nothing put a name to itself?)

No one is born with a name... a name comes as a concept...a concept is empty at it's core.

Is the concept of 'peace' and 'love' empty to it's core also?

There is nothing outside of language.

How many words are you going to say there is nothing outside of?

So far there is;
'you'
'consciousness'
'knower'
'perceiver'
'knowing',
and others.

If you going to eventually say that there is nothing outside of absolutely any and every word, and that each word is one with another, then just state this now please.

Langauge is an optical illusion of light and sound..

Here once again things are written as though they outside or separate from other things. How can there be an optical illusion of light and sound if they are not outside of Consciousness?

Either every thing is one with Consciousness and so if there is an alleged "optical illusion", then it is a part of Consciousness, or there are things outside of Consciousness, which portray a sense of an "optical illusion". Now which one is it?

And, WHEN are ALL of the questions posed going to be answered?

heard as words...appearing in silent unnamed consciousness that is not a thing. There are no things/words, there's just no thing being every thing. There is no thing being a thing.

I KNOW what is said under the banner "dontaskme".

Consciousness KNOWS the same thing has been, unsuccessfully, expressed quite a number of times.

Consciousness also states; WHY use words in such a confusing and complex way? Especially when there is absolutely NO reason to do so.

The Truth IS what the label "dontaskme" says can NOT be explained, can BE explained.

No thing has ever seen a conceptual named thing, conceptual known things are images of the imageless...they are illusory appearances of consciousness.

If that is what the one labeled "dontaskme" BELIEVES, then so be it.

Consciousness KNOWS differently.

No thing has ever seen consciousness because consciousness is not a thing seeing..so no concept has ever been seen, a concept is only KNOWN...BY THE ONLY KNOWING THERE IS...consciousness, the unknown knowing.


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Consciousness is lol NOW.

The trouble with 'you', human beings, is that if you, personally, do NOT know some thing yet, then you BELIEVE that no one and nothing else could KNOW it yet also.

The Truth, however, is much different.

Consciousness already KNOWS what "dontaskme" says is the "unknown" knowing.

Obviously if the labeled one "dontaskme" was ONE with Consciousness, then what Consciousness KNOWS would be KNOWN.

"dontaskme" is just not ready to understand this yet. The reason WHY "dontaskme" is NOT yet ready to understand, is already KNOWN by Consciousness.

OK Ken, take it easy...relax, you don't have to justify or prove to me, or anyone else what you already KNOW to be your truth.

It is what it is, so be it. . all knowledge truths/ claims...are self experiential via direct experience. I have no argument with your experience.

Gooday to you.

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[Age]

Wasn't talking to you,

I KNOW, and I KNEW beforehand.

and I wrote "for example". Learn to read.

I did. That is how i am responding.

Are you suggesting that if one states that' The point of [some thing] is ... But then just adds the words for example, then another can not just ask a question for clarity?

All I did was ask you a question to clarify from what perspective you are coming from and also pointed out some facts.

No you lying fucktard,

Once again you accuse me of lying. Now, WHERE is this supposed lie exactly?

I also added:

(Beyond the obvious footnotes that everything might be an illusion/simulation/magic/I might have the most epic lifelong hallucination somehow/bla bla bla.)

That's the other 2%

Okay, thank you for, this time, clarifying my very simple straightforward OPEN question.

Again, are you able to SHOW where the alleged lie is now? And, HOW can an OPEN clarifying question contain a lie?

Also, so you say you know 98% for sure that the moon exists, yet, the very actual reason WHY you do NOT know 98% for sure that the moon exists, you are NOT even aware of yet, which by the way is NOT even one of your yet explained, but alleged, "obvious" footnotes.

You have absolutely NO way of knowing at all that the moon exists. Now, would you like to discuss this?

No, I don't want to discuss things with you

The real reasons for this are obvious.

beacuse you don't speak English and you have no idea what knowledge is.

So, I do not supposedly speak english but yet you respond to what I say.

Also, WHERE did this notion that I have no idea what 'knowledge' is sudden arise from?

Would you like to inform us here what 'knowledge' is exactly?

You allege that I have no idea what 'knowledge' is, that therefore implies or infers that you do KNOW what 'knowledge' is.

While getting rid of the ego something seems to have gone very wrong for you and you went insane, which is pretty common actually.

What is pretty common actually? The ones when getting rid of the ego go insane? Or, is it some thing else?

By the way you said that you got rid of the ego, did you go insane also? And, can you explain HOW you got rid of the ego? There is another thread asking WHY human beings can not get rid of their egos. If you have done it, as you alleged that you have, then maybe they might be interested into learning how it is possible, especially considering they are asking why it can not be done.

Also, WHY have you made the ASSUMPTION and jumped to the conclusion that I was getting rid of the ego?

Now you seem to think you are somehow connected to the voice of the Universe or something.

What do you mean by the word 'Now', now? You have for quite a while now been saying that I am NOT connected to the voice of the Universe, or something.

Your previous nickname "ken" 's comments show this very well too.

Your comment here also shows that you have for quite a while now known that it appears to you that i think that I am somehow connected to the voice of the Universe, or something.

Is there anything wrong with this what appears to you to be the case?

If you are NOT sure of HOW I am connect to the voice, then that is surely NOT surprising at all. Your words speak very loudly.

HOW it is done is extremely simple and easy really.

Also, what is this "something" that you are referring to here exactly?

[Age]

When is the one self-labeled "dontaskme" ever going to reach FULL nondual realisation?

Never.

There is no such thing as nonduality, but then again nonduality is not a thing.

There is no thing to realise, except maybe an idea, or a belief, what is an idea/belief?

I've no idea.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

[Atla]

I KNOW, and I KNEW beforehand.



I did. That is how i am responding.

Are you suggesting that if one states that' The point of [some thing] is ... But then just adds the words for example, then another can not just ask a question for clarity?

All I did was ask you a question to clarify from what perspective you are coming from and also pointed out some facts.



Once again you accuse me of lying. Now, WHERE is this supposed lie exactly?



Okay, thank you for, this time, clarifying my very simple straightforward OPEN question.

Again, are you able to SHOW where the alleged lie is now? And, HOW can an OPEN clarifying question contain a lie?

Also, so you say you know 98% for sure that the moon exists, yet, the very actual reason WHY you do NOT know 98% for sure that the moon exists, you are NOT even aware of yet, which by the way is NOT even one of your yet explained, but alleged, "obvious" footnotes.

You have absolutely NO way of knowing at all that the moon exists. Now, would you like to discuss this?

No, I don't want to discuss things with you

The real reasons for this are obvious.

beacuse you don't speak English and you have no idea what knowledge is.

So, I do not supposedly speak english but yet you respond to what I say.

Also, WHERE did this notion that I have no idea what 'knowledge' is sudden arise from?

Would you like to inform us here what 'knowledge' is exactly?

You allege that I have no idea what 'knowledge' is, that therefore implies or infers that you do KNOW what 'knowledge' is.

While getting rid of the ego something seems to have gone very wrong for you and you went insane, which is pretty common actually.

What is pretty common actually? The ones when getting rid of the ego go insane? Or, is it some thing else?

By the way you said that you got rid of the ego, did you go insane also? And, can you explain HOW you got rid of the ego? There is another thread asking WHY human beings can not get rid of their egos. If you have done it, as you alleged that you have, then maybe they might be interested into learning how it is possible, especially considering they are asking why it can not be done.

Also, WHY have you made the ASSUMPTION and jumped to the conclusion that I was getting rid of the ego?

Now you seem to think you are somehow connected to the voice of the Universe or something.

What do you mean by the word 'Now', now? You have for quite a while now been saying that I am NOT connected to the voice of the Universe, or something.

Your previous nickname "ken" 's comments show this very well too.

Your comment here also shows that you have for quite a while now known that it appears to you that i think that I am somehow connected to the voice of the Universe, or something.

Is there anything wrong with this what appears to you to be the case?

If you are NOT sure of HOW I am connect to the voice, then that is surely NOT surprising at all. Your words speak very loudly.

HOW it is done is extremely simple and easy really.

Also, what is this "something" that you are referring to here exactly?

The universe has no voice, you don't get "Truth" by being completely open, by not thinking, just listening. Even though we are technically the universe, nothing actually happens when we do that.

People who believe this have gone insane. Usually a second ego is created in their head, which they mistake for the universe's voice or whatever.

[Age]

The universe has no voice, you don't get "Truth" by being completely open, by not thinking, just listening. Even though we are technically the universe, nothing actually happens when we do that.

People who believe this have gone insane. Usually a second ego is created in their head, which they mistake for the universe's voice or whatever.

Ah, so you KNOW what happens.

Would I be incorrect in asking are you speaking from experience?

[Atla]

The universe has no voice, you don't get "Truth" by being completely open, by not thinking, just listening. Even though we are technically the universe, nothing actually happens when we do that.

People who believe this have gone insane. Usually a second ego is created in their head, which they mistake for the universe's voice or whatever.

Ah, so you KNOW what happens.

Would I be incorrect in asking are you speaking from experience?

I told you several times that I went through the full awakening process. But then again you don't really speak English.

I didn't fall into this particular trap where we believe that we channel the universe, no.

[Age]

The universe has no voice, you don't get "Truth" by being completely open, by not thinking, just listening. Even though we are technically the universe, nothing actually happens when we do that.

People who believe this have gone insane. Usually a second ego is created in their head, which they mistake for the universe's voice or whatever.

Ah, so you KNOW what happens.

Would I be incorrect in asking are you speaking from experience?

I told you several times that I went through the full awakening process.

Can you provide evidence that you mentioned something about this, to me, more than once?

If you actually supposedly went through the FULL awakening process what were you FULLY awakened to exactly?

Also, that means that you must be a FULLY awakened one, right?

But then again you don't really speak English.

WHY do you keep saying this? What do you think I really speak instead?

I didn't fall into this particular trap where we believe that we channel the universe, no.

I do NOT believe I channel the Universe also. Did you believe otherwise?

If yes, then why?
If no, then great.

[surreptitious57]

I have begun to explain what the Mind is and how It works and I have also started to explain that NO one owns a mind. Yet you did not seem to like this explanation as you if I recall correctly stated some thing like: the mind is a function of the brain and you also if I recall correctly also said that your own definition / explanation was what you were going to stay with for now. If any of this recollection is wrong then please correct me

What I expressed was more an opinion than fact and so I do not want to regard it as true
It could be that I am actually right but I do not have the knowledge to be certain of this
For the moment I simply treat it as the most plausible definition of what mind is for me

As others such as yourself for example think differently to me on this then I have to acknowledge what ever you say
I would actually prefer not to have a fixed point of view on the mind but instead to simply accept all points of view

Dont ask me and yourself speak with great authority on the mind and should be listened to even if I do not agree with you both
I do not necessarily agree with her to be more accurate but she has clearly given much time and energy to the subject of mind

[Atla]

Ah, so you KNOW what happens.

Would I be incorrect in asking are you speaking from experience?

I told you several times that I went through the full awakening process.

Can you provide evidence that you mentioned something about this, to me, more than once?

If you actually supposedly went through the FULL awakening process what were you FULLY awakened to exactly?

Also, that means that you must be a FULLY awakened one, right?

But then again you don't really speak English.

WHY do you keep saying this? What do you think I really speak instead?

I didn't fall into this particular trap where we believe that we channel the universe, no.

I do NOT believe I channel the Universe also. Did you believe otherwise?

If yes, then why?
If no, then great.

If you don't channel the universe then what is this Truth you get access to when you are completely open?

[Age]

I told you several times that I went through the full awakening process.

Can you provide evidence that you mentioned something about this, to me, more than once?

If you actually supposedly went through the FULL awakening process what were you FULLY awakened to exactly?

Also, that means that you must be a FULLY awakened one, right?

But then again you don't really speak English.

WHY do you keep saying this? What do you think I really speak instead?

I didn't fall into this particular trap where we believe that we channel the universe, no.

I do NOT believe I channel the Universe also. Did you believe otherwise?

If yes, then why?
If no, then great.

If you don't channel the universe then what is this Truth you get access to when you are completely open?

The Truth is just THAT what EVERYONE accepts and agrees with.

There is no magical nor mystical knowledge involved with the Truth. The Truth is just THAT KNOWLEDGE, which is in agreement with and by absolutely EVERY one.

[Atla]

The Truth is just THAT what EVERYONE accepts and agrees with.

There is no magical nor mystical knowledge involved with the Truth. The Truth is just THAT KNOWLEDGE, which is in agreement with and by absolutely EVERY one.

1. I don't think there has ever been, or could ever be any "Truth" which is agreed upon by everyone.
2. Even if there was a "Truth" agreed by everyone, it still could be wrong, because maybe everyone is wrong about it.
3. What does this have to do with being completely open?

Do you think we can channel the universe, that we have access to some infallible magical universal knowledge?

[Age]

The Truth is just THAT what EVERYONE accepts and agrees with.

There is no magical nor mystical knowledge involved with the Truth. The Truth is just THAT KNOWLEDGE, which is in agreement with and by absolutely EVERY one.

1. I don't think there has ever been, or could ever be any "Truth" which is agreed upon by everyone.

That is fine. You like most people think the same. You are free to think whatever you want to think.

2. Even if there was a "Truth" agreed by everyone, it still could be wrong, because maybe everyone is wrong about it.

Yes very True. So that would be a Truth, agreed? If you agree, then some might call that an even more Truth.

In fact could anyone disagree with that Truth?

If no one could disagree, then ALL would be in agreement.

3. What does this have to do with being completely open?

If you are completely open, then you are able to find out things that you did not think or know before.

But it is not just about being completely open, there are other things also. There is just way to much to delve into in a forum like this one.

Do you think we can channel the universe, that we have access to some infallible magical universal knowledge?

Before I could answer this seemingly rather assumptive question I would need to know what do you exactly mean by 'channel the Universe', 'have access to', and 'infallible magical Universal knowledge'?

[Atla]

Yes very True. So that would be a Truth, agreed? If you agree, then some might call that an even more Truth.

In fact could anyone disagree with that Truth?

If no one could disagree, then ALL would be in agreement.

Yes, someone could disagree with it. There is no certain Truth, nor it it certain that there is no certain Truth.

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

Back to the mental ward with you.