Supporting Evidences and References are Critical

[Age]

You are just like the "other", human being, here.

So are you.

You both state that you KNOW some thing, but when asked to provide an example of what "it" is, you both FAIL TREMENDOUSLY in providing any at all.

Have you looked in the mirror recently?

Do you know when (date and time) and where (location) on Earth will the next tsunami take place?

You can TRY your hardest to deflect away from the point that you claimed that I am a liar, so that you might THINK that you do NOT have to back up and support what you allege. But if you do NOT provide any example, then maybe what you wondered before about if it was you who was the actual LIAR might be becoming MORE obvious to the readers.

I stated that I do NOT know what you are talking about in relation to what I am supposedly lying about. You do NOT provide any thing at all, regarding this.

Are you aware of the difference between you ASKING if I KNOW something, and, you STATING that you KNOW some thing?

I HAVE answered your QUESTION regarding what I KNOW or do NOT know, you, however, can not and will NOT reveal what you SAY that you KNOW. That is because you either;
1. REALLY do NOT KNOW.
2. Are you lying when you state that YOU DO KNOW.
3. Some thing else.
So, which one is it?

[Gary Childress]

We should never blame the Muslims.
Religion is driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.

The evil ideology of Islam [a major part] is immutable thus cannot be reformed.

What the majority of humanity need to do is to be convinced of the truth [they are now in a state of ignorance] of the evil elements in the ideology of Islam and strive to find ways to wean off Islam gradually and replace it with fool proofs spiritual methods on a voluntarily basis.

Critical Falsification:
It will not work without voluntary fool proof replacements.

OK. So it sounds like you are indeed saying that about 1.5 billion people in the world (many in Third World countries which lack a great deal in "existential" guarantees for their citizens) are going to have to be convinced to renounce Islam? You say religion is "driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis." Are you referring to the current crisis in the ME, the one largely feeding off the mess that was created in the wake of the Iraq invasion?

[Veritas Aequitas]

We should never blame the Muslims.
Religion is driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.

The evil ideology of Islam [a major part] is immutable thus cannot be reformed.

What the majority of humanity need to do is to be convinced of the truth [they are now in a state of ignorance] of the evil elements in the ideology of Islam and strive to find ways to wean off Islam gradually and replace it with fool proofs spiritual methods on a voluntarily basis.

Critical Falsification:
It will not work without voluntary fool proof replacements.

OK. So it sounds like you are indeed saying that about 1.5 billion people in the world (many in Third World countries which lack a great deal in "existential" guarantees for their citizens) are going to have to be convinced to renounce Islam? You say religion is "driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis." Are you referring to the current crisis in the ME, the one largely feeding off the mess that was created in the wake of the Iraq invasion?

Yes, humanity will have to find ways to convince the 1.5 billion Muslim to change their mind to replace Islam with a fool proof alternatives. This is not impossible as many Muslims has already left and are leaving Islam. Thus it is a question of pushing towards a critical mass of giving up Islam to turn the tide. This will not happen immediately but perhaps if there are concerted efforts it will be realized in maybe 75 years or more years in the future.

I am optimistic it will happen in the future, given the current positive trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology.

Nothing to do with the crisis in the ME.
It is the internal crisis within the brain/mind of ALL humans and the theists quest to enter heaven with eternal life to avoid the existential crisis of inevitable mortality.

[Gary Childress]

We should never blame the Muslims.
Religion is driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.

The evil ideology of Islam [a major part] is immutable thus cannot be reformed.

What the majority of humanity need to do is to be convinced of the truth [they are now in a state of ignorance] of the evil elements in the ideology of Islam and strive to find ways to wean off Islam gradually and replace it with fool proofs spiritual methods on a voluntarily basis.

Critical Falsification:
It will not work without voluntary fool proof replacements.

OK. So it sounds like you are indeed saying that about 1.5 billion people in the world (many in Third World countries which lack a great deal in "existential" guarantees for their citizens) are going to have to be convinced to renounce Islam? You say religion is "driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis." Are you referring to the current crisis in the ME, the one largely feeding off the mess that was created in the wake of the Iraq invasion?

Yes, humanity will have to find ways to convince the 1.5 billion Muslim to change their mind to replace Islam with a fool proof alternatives. This is not impossible as many Muslims has already left and are leaving Islam. Thus it is a question of pushing towards a critical mass of giving up Islam to turn the tide. This will not happen immediately but perhaps if there are concerted efforts it will be realized in may 75 years or more years in the future.

I am optimistic it will happen in the future, given the current positive trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology.

Nothing to do with the crisis in the ME.
It is the internal crisis within the brain/mind of ALL humans and the theists quest to enter heaven with eternal life to avoid the existential crisis of inevitable mortality.

I wish you the best of luck with that. Maybe next you can try to convince over 7.5 billion people (or whatever the population of the Third World will be in 75 years) that 1st and 2nd world governments and exploitative mega-corporations are their friends and all the smog and shortages aren't a big deal. Maybe you can even start your tour in a first world country just to start out easy with "privileged" people. I suggest Camden, New Jersey or Flint, Michigan would be good starts for that.

Or, heck, maybe the next super germ will knock the global population down a bit for you (to counter resource shortages) and make your job easier. We can always hope for that super germ thing, I guess.

[Veritas Aequitas]

OK. So it sounds like you are indeed saying that about 1.5 billion people in the world (many in Third World countries which lack a great deal in "existential" guarantees for their citizens) are going to have to be convinced to renounce Islam? You say religion is "driven by an inherent and unavoidable existential crisis." Are you referring to the current crisis in the ME, the one largely feeding off the mess that was created in the wake of the Iraq invasion?

Yes, humanity will have to find ways to convince the 1.5 billion Muslim to change their mind to replace Islam with a fool proof alternatives. This is not impossible as many Muslims has already left and are leaving Islam. Thus it is a question of pushing towards a critical mass of giving up Islam to turn the tide. This will not happen immediately but perhaps if there are concerted efforts it will be realized in may 75 years or more years in the future.

I am optimistic it will happen in the future, given the current positive trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology.

Nothing to do with the crisis in the ME.
It is the internal crisis within the brain/mind of ALL humans and the theists quest to enter heaven with eternal life to avoid the existential crisis of inevitable mortality.

I wish you the best of luck with that. Maybe next you can try to convince over 7.5 billion people (or whatever the population of the Earth will be in 75 years) that Western governments and exploitative mega-corporations are their friends and all the smog and shortages aren't a big deal. Maybe you can even start your tour in a first world country just to start out easy with "privileged" people. I suggest Camden, New Jersey or Flint, Michigan would be good starts for that.

Or, heck, maybe the next super germ will knock the global population down a bit for you to counter resource shortages and make your job easier. We can always hope for that super germ thing, I guess.

Why are you making 'next' evil suggestions to me?

Note as I wrote in this OP;
viewtopic.php?p=378722#p378722

• I believe ALL evil acts and violence in the World must be addressed and resolved ASAP.

and why I only have the competence to discuss Religious-based evil acts and violence.

[Gary Childress]

Why are you making 'next' evil suggestions to me?

Because I think religion is one of the LEAST of our problems in the world.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Why are you making 'next' evil suggestions to me?

Because I think religion is one of the LEAST of our problems in the world.

That is your personal opinion due to ignorance of real World affairs.
ISIS itself was not a mosquito bite. There are so many potential dangerous 'mosquitoes' of Islam around the world.

[Gary Childress]

Why are you making 'next' evil suggestions to me?

Because I think religion is one of the LEAST of our problems in the world.

That is your personal opinion due to ignorance of real World affairs.

Apparently.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Because I think religion is one of the LEAST of our problems in the world.

That is your personal opinion due to ignorance of real World affairs.

Apparently.

Note Islam's inherent aggression to dominate fueled by false arrogance.

Here is one case, i.e.
the Muslim's Brotherhood Masterplan to Destroy America from Within as discovered by the FBI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxNPvns7nU

Page 7:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers…”

“[W]e must possess a mastery of the art of ‘coalitions’, the art of ‘absorption’ and the principles of ‘cooperation.’”
https://clarionproject.org/muslim_broth ... emorandum/

The point is there are many undiscovered Master Plans by various Muslims groups driven by the ideology to dominate the world.

Most people's view toward Islam in the West is like that of the Dodo who simply failed to see dangers due to lack of exposures even after 911 had happened and other evidence of the evils of Islam around the world.

[Gary Childress]

That is your personal opinion due to ignorance of real World affairs.

Apparently.

Note Islam's inherent aggression to dominate fueled by false arrogance.

Here is one case, i.e.
the Muslim's Brotherhood Masterplan to Destroy America from Within as discovered by the FBI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxNPvns7nU

Page 7:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers…”

“[W]e must possess a mastery of the art of ‘coalitions’, the art of ‘absorption’ and the principles of ‘cooperation.’”
https://clarionproject.org/muslim_broth ... emorandum/

The point is there are many undiscovered Master Plans by various Muslims groups driven by the ideology to dominate the world.

Most people's view toward Islam in the West is like that of the Dodo who simply failed to see dangers due to lack of exposures even after 911 had happened and other evidence of the evils of Islam around the world.

Personally, I tend to be more afraid of fellow Americans with firearms, as they seem pretty dangerous also and statistically I probably stand almost as much chance of getting killed from one of them as a Muslim terrorist. I hear Chicago is quite a killing ground these days.

Or maybe Noam Chomsky is right and the greatest immediate 'evil' (or in secular terms most 'dangerous' group of people) which humanity faces is the Republican Party in the US, because most of the more hawkish war mongers (nuclear armed ones at that) come from them and they also deny man made global climate change--even so far as to seek to accelerate the process of environmental catastrophe through increased use of non-sustainable energy sources.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... earth.html

[Walker]

Chomsky may be a linguist but his fame is Leftist spokesperson, spokesfolk, spokesman.

As such, his view on every social issue is as predictable as instructions on a kool aid package.

If you’re looking at war-mongering as a function of a political party, begin with the biggies:

Wilson (D*) WWI. Roosevelt (D) WWII. Kennedy (D) Vietnam. Johnson (D) Vietnam.

* Democrat

[-1-]

Chomsky may be a linguist but his fame is Leftist spokesperson, spokesfolk, spokesman.

As such, his view on every social issue is as predictable as instructions on a kool aid package.

If you’re looking at war-mongering as a function of a political party, begin with the biggies:

Wilson (D*) WWI. Roosevelt (D) WWII. Kennedy (D) Vietnam. Johnson (D) Vietnam.

* Democrat

A Democrat of extreme left wing in the USA has ideas and ideology that would count as extreme right in any other developed industrial country.

1. Don't ban weapons, only have them registered and have better control in distribution (USA D)
Don't allow citizens to have wapons (everywhere else, right wing.)
2. Have black minorities achieve a state of equality in social and civic stuff. (USA D)
Black people in leading industrial countries suffer no discrimination comparable to that in the USA.
3. Build the middle class, not damage the middle class to fatten the higher class. (USA D)
In most of Europe, the top earning bracket pays 95% tax on some part of their income
4. Try to have some medicare for everyone (USA D)
In all of Europe, Canada, and Australia, this was introduced and has been the state of affairs since the 1960s.

Most countries' extreme right is sitting where the extreme left is sitting, in political terms, in the USA.

So when you blast the Democrats, you are blasting still the right wing party of the world. Noam Chomsky is of European spirit,in political terms. Of course in America he sticks out like a sore thumb. He is advocating European progressive social values.

[Walker]

-1-:

Circumstances change, the root of mongering stays the same.

If the mongering root is indeed party-oriented, then logic indicates finding the common war root shared by these who were president when the big ones began.

Wilson (D)– Roosevelt (D)– Truman (D)- Kennedy (D)– Johnson (D)

First find the root of war
Evidenced by the four
(Truman and Korea make five)
To know which food
To fatten, or starve the root
Time changes the particulars, in this case from old to less old.
But the root stays the same

&

Then again, Chomsky and Gary may want to re-think the party-origins of war, given the evidence that does not favour the favoured party.

[Gary Childress]

-1-:

Circumstances change, the root of mongering stays the same.

If the mongering root is indeed party-oriented, then logic indicates finding the common war root shared by these who were president when the big ones began.

Wilson (D)– Roosevelt (D)– Truman (D)- Kennedy (D)– Johnson (D)

First find the root of war
Evidenced by the four
(Truman and Korea make five)
To know which food
To fatten, or starve the root
Time changes the particulars, in this case from old to less old.
But the root stays the same

&

Then again, Chomsky and Gary may want to re-think the party-origins of war, given the evidence that does not favour the favoured party.

Sure. The big ones in the past were started under Democrat Presidents. Indisputable. However, since Nixon the Republicans have undertaken significant changes. It's no longer the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower. Look at what happened with the civil rights movement. Around the time of Nixon a distinct shift (known as the "Southern Strategy") occurred in which party lines shifted relatively dramatically and Democrats (who had once been the party of Segregation and Jim Crow) began to identify more with civil rights issues for minorities while the Republicans shifted and currently most of the KKK and "White supremacist" groups are voting Republican now.

Also up until Truman, the danger of nuclear war did not exist. Remember it's not WAR per se that is the most significant danger but the threat of NUCLEAR WAR that presents the greatest existential danger (extinction) to human civilization (although biological warfare is in there too). Now, when we see people talking about "nuke the fuckers", it's usually coming from someone on the Republican side, not the Democrats. Certainly, that could conceivably shift again at some point in the future.

As far as the current trend in wars:

After the disaster of Vietnam, Reagan began to again test the waters with the invasion of Grenada.
G. H. Bush: Panama Invasion, 1st Gulf War
Clinton: Somalia & Serbia
G. W. Bush: Iraq & Afghanistan
Obama: no new invasions but continuance of what was started under G.W. Bush.

[Walker]

That's all more evidence to discount the party-origins of war as asserted by Chomsky.

You can't pick and choose.