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There is no one to be a solipist....unless you believe there is.

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Do you know what really makes this world,planet,universe,all of it so very beautiful and awesome Greta?

That it’s all unclaimed...

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:03 pm There is no one to be a solipist....unless you believe there is.

Or a solipsist, as the case may be.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:16 pmDo you know what really makes this world,planet,universe,all of it so very beautiful and awesome Greta?

That it’s all unclaimed...

No, I do not know what makes reality so amazing, weird and mind-bending, and you have not enlightened.

What of subatomic particles, atoms, molecules and microbes - our constituents? Everything is taken for granted, and for a very good reason. It's not spirit killing, it's just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY.

While those who have retreated to Himalayan caves have the chance to focus on what really is, if one otherwise spends their lives in a state of wonder with "filters off" one gets bugger all done. Mammon will always have its due, Shylock will take his pound! That's okay because enjoying the survival benefits of a community means a concomitant ethical social obligation to contribute. This does not mean abject compliance, just doing one's bit.

The Tao Does Nothing, and Nothing is Left Undone.

Nick and I and a few others here are discussing the idea of awakeneing to the dream of separation. There is nothing about this subject that is meant to be taken personally, or cause offence, if you think that is the case then this is just your belief only...ok, so you have your opinion and we have ours. If you don't agree or like the opinions put forward then stop fighting with them. It's that simple. If you believe that by voicing your opinion at the top of your lungs can win someone elses opinion over to your side of the argument you will be in a constant battle of wills...disharmony will be your only companion. We're all just sharing opinions, not trying to win people over to our side of the arguments if that's what you want to call discussing and sharing ideas, opinions. Making this personal is not the agenda here.

Awakening is a subject that seems to irate the hell out of Greta, but no matter, so be it, it is what it is.


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Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pm
HOWEVER, ONE THING I LOATHE IS THE DISHONEST PRESENTATION OF BELIEFS AND SPECULATIVE MATERIAL AS ABSOLUTE FACT.

It is an absolute fact that you exist right now. This PRESENTATION that is you - that you ARE - is irrefutable. That's all that can be known about you. Everything else is just pure material speculation, a fiction, a representaion, a reaction.

From belief to clarity.

Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pmI expect this will be ignored too.

It is an absolute fact that you exist right now. That's all that can be known about you. Everything else is just pure speculation, fiction.

just don't take any notice of the little man behind the curtain, ignore that one.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:43 amAwakening is a subject that seems to irate the hell out of Greta, but no matter, so be it, it is what it is.

No, awakening is a fairly natural thing to do as one matures. In time even you and Nick might start the process, but first you will each need to ditch your inordinate pride, so that may be some time yet, perhaps requiring a midlife crisis to bring you back to Earth.

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:07 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:43 amAwakening is a subject that seems to irate the hell out of Greta, but no matter, so be it, it is what it is.

No, awakening is a fairly natural thing to do as one matures. In time even you and Nick might start the process, but first you will each need to ditch your inordinate pride, so that may be some time yet, perhaps requiring a midlife crisis to bring you back to Earth.

I think they should find another planet where no harm can be done.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:09 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:07 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:43 amAwakening is a subject that seems to irate the hell out of Greta, but no matter, so be it, it is what it is.

No, awakening is a fairly natural thing to do as one matures. In time even you and Nick might start the process, but first you will each need to ditch your inordinate pride, so that may be some time yet, perhaps requiring a midlife crisis to bring you back to Earth.

I think they should find another planet where no harm can be done.

Maybe so. They'd seem ideal candidates for the Golgafrincham B Ark.

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:09 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:07 am
No, awakening is a fairly natural thing to do as one matures. In time even you and Nick might start the process, but first you will each need to ditch your inordinate pride, so that may be some time yet, perhaps requiring a midlife crisis to bring you back to Earth.

I think they should find another planet where no harm can be done.

Maybe so. They'd seem ideal candidates for the Golgafrincham B Ark.

Tell them my phone is still dirty. They're not doing their jobs.

Us and them, i.e., the true nature of boundary.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:22 am Us and them, i.e., the true nature of boundary.

Space goats? Bunch of garbage eaters.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:21 am

Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pm
HOWEVER, ONE THING I LOATHE IS THE DISHONEST PRESENTATION OF BELIEFS AND SPECULATIVE MATERIAL AS ABSOLUTE FACT.

It is an absolute fact that you exist right now. This PRESENTATION that is you - that you ARE - is irrefutable. That's all that can be known about you. Everything else is just pure material speculation, a fiction, a representaion, a reaction.

From belief to clarity.

This is just solipsism. Trouble is, all these other people are having their own little irrefutable truths. So then we all get together and look at each others' irrefutable truths and see how they compare. Then we notice that almost everyone shares certain irrefutable truths and then we call that shared understanding "science".

I personally value the truths of others who are not me, knowing that what they feel within is just as profound as what I feel. How do I know that's not just fantasy? I talk to people, read their ideas and over time a person gains experience and learns the difference between fantastical claims and credible ones.

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pmI expect this will be ignored too.

It is an absolute fact that you exist right now. That's all that can be known about you. Everything else is just pure speculation, fiction.

just don't take any notice of the little man behind the curtain, ignore that one.

Again, you disregard the knowledge of others while, curiously maintaining faith in a book the best part of 2,000 years old.

Sure, in a way this moment within is absolutely everything. Yippee and huzzah. However, I note that I have had a veritable shitload of prior moments. With luck I will have many more of them in the future.

Now I have this moment but it's only as special insofar as I have the energy and inclination to have what I think of as a little "nature rhapsody", something I enjoy most days, usually on the dog walk or while gardening. Most times, though, I'm just trying to get things done with those "nows" (that are all there is), which is the case for most people with responsibilities.

None of this is "speculation" or "pure fiction". That's just what you choose to tell yourself about it. I can understand the wish for none of this to be real, for all the stupidity, humiliations and blundering one perpetrates in life to be just an illusion. It ain't, though.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:19 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:09 am

I think they should find another planet where no harm can be done.

Maybe so. They'd seem ideal candidates for the Golgafrincham B Ark.

Tell them my phone is still dirty. They're not doing their jobs.

Tell them yourself

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:30 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:19 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 am
Maybe so. They'd seem ideal candidates for the Golgafrincham B Ark.

Tell them my phone is still dirty. They're not doing their jobs.

Tell them yourself

That would require me to talk to them. I'll sanitize my own phone, I guess.

(This place has gotten awfully kooky, Greta. Not sure how long I'll stick around.)

Love your titles, btw. Lol!

Equally relevant to philosophy, Nick does have the advantage of rapier finesse against the slow-moving waddle required for the telegraphed, wide-swinging bludgeon, an attack only effective in a world of grosser physicality less ephemeral than the coarser-than-thought, intermediary thought-realm of pixels shaped into words of English, transmitting to receivers attuned and untuned.