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Re: What is gravity?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:14 am
by popeye1945
Gravity is geometry; it is bent space, objects follow its curves, this is gravity. It is not a force; it is the terrain of space.

Re: What is gravity?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2025 1:44 am
by seeds
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:14 am Gravity is geometry; it is bent space, objects follow its curves, this is gravity. It is not a force; it is the terrain of space.
You are describing what seems to be the status of "local" reality (what physicist David Bohm calls the "Explicate Order," and what Kant would call the "phenomenal realm").

Furthermore, there apparently is no "geometry," or "space," or recognizable "objects" at the "non-local" level of reality (what Bohm calls the "Implicate Order," and what Kant would surely recognize as being his "noumenal realm").

No, it is theorized that everything at the deepest level of what we call "material reality"...

(again, Bohm's Implicate Order and Kant's noumenal realm)

...exists in a seamless and interpenetrating (entangled) state of "oneness" in which the correlated patterns (or fields) of information that underpin the construction of our phenomenal realm of experienceable geometry, space, and 3-D objects,...

...seems to loosely resemble the entangled state of the informational underpinning of a laser hologram.

Indeed, Bohm even referred to the Implicate Order as the "Holomovement," due to the dynamic (moving/changing) nature of the underlying patterns of information that correspond with all of the dynamic processes we experience up here in the Explicate Order.
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Re: What is gravity?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2025 1:47 am
by popeye1945
seeds wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2025 1:44 am
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:14 am Gravity is geometry; it is bent space, objects follow its curves, this is gravity. It is not a force; it is the terrain of space.
You are describing what seems to be the status of "local" reality (what physicist David Bohm calls the "Explicate Order," and what Kant would call the "phenomenal realm").

Furthermore, there apparently is no "geometry," or "space," or recognizable "objects" at the "non-local" level of reality (what Bohm calls the "Implicate Order," and what Kant would surely recognize as being his "noumenal realm").

No, it is theorized that everything at the deepest level of what we call "material reality"...

(again, Bohm's Implicate Order and Kant's noumenal realm)

...exists in a seamless and interpenetrating (entangled) state of "oneness" in which the correlated patterns (or fields) of information that underpin the construction of our phenomenal realm of experienceable geometry, space, and 3-D objects,...

...seems to loosely resemble the entangled state of the informational underpinning of a laser hologram.

Indeed, Bohm even referred to the Implicate Order as the "Holomovement," due to the dynamic (moving/changing) nature of the underlying patterns of information that correspond with all of the dynamic processes we experience up here in the Explicate Order.
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EXCELLENT!

Re: What is gravity?

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2025 7:44 pm
by seeds
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2025 1:47 am
seeds wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2025 1:44 am
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:14 am Gravity is geometry; it is bent space, objects follow its curves, this is gravity. It is not a force; it is the terrain of space.
You are describing what seems to be the status of "local" reality (what physicist David Bohm calls the "Explicate Order," and what Kant would call the "phenomenal realm").

Furthermore, there apparently is no "geometry," or "space," or recognizable "objects" at the "non-local" level of reality (what Bohm calls the "Implicate Order," and what Kant would surely recognize as being his "noumenal realm").

No, it is theorized that everything at the deepest level of what we call "material reality"...

(again, Bohm's Implicate Order and Kant's noumenal realm)

...exists in a seamless and interpenetrating (entangled) state of "oneness" in which the correlated patterns (or fields) of information that underpin the construction of our phenomenal realm of experienceable geometry, space, and 3-D objects,...

...seems to loosely resemble the entangled state of the informational underpinning of a laser hologram.

Indeed, Bohm even referred to the Implicate Order as the "Holomovement," due to the dynamic (moving/changing) nature of the underlying patterns of information that correspond with all of the dynamic processes we experience up here in the Explicate Order.
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EXCELLENT!
Thank you, popeye1945, for your kind and encouraging reply. It is much appreciated.
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Re: What is gravity?

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 6:49 pm
by Cerveny
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 9:14 am Gravity is geometry; it is bent space, objects follow its curves, this is gravity. It is not a force; it is the terrain of space.
Geometry is mathematics, ideological extrapolation. Real space has an indispensable supporting structure that is subject to, accepts electric and magnetic polarizations, i.e. the ability to transmit, for example, light at a finite speed...
Gravity is a manifestation of the real configuration, of imbalance, compression of discrete elements, of Planck's "bricks" of physical space…