How God could fail to convey His message?

[ken]

God can make me believe what It is. I can even explain to you what I am so I cannot understand how God could fail.

I hope you stand up to what you just said here and explain that to Me accurately and succinctly.

Let us see if you actually can explain what you said you can here, or if you actually could and will fail.

I am a human being (a being like you), trying to find the truth (you understand that), I am a physicist (you know that),,...

What is a human being? What is it made up of? What is the 'human' part? What is the 'being' part?

Your logic is you CAN explain all of this, so you can not understand why God could fail. So, if your explanation is "I am a human being" is suffice, then God's explanation of "I am God" should also suffice, according to your logic, right?

That would be suffice if God talk to me after it was ensured that who that is talking with me is God.

What evidence and/or proof would suffice that God is talking to you? Then, after that happens, are you suggesting all God would have to do is say, "I am God" and you would totally believe it?

You stated that, "God can make me believe what It is. I can even explain to you what I am so I cannot understand how God could fail."

You have yet to explain to Me what bahman is. Your explanation that bahman is a human being, as well as as a physicist will not suffice, as it appears confusing.

Also you have completely refused to answer my clarifying questions regarding what a human being is, what it is supposedly made up of, etc. Also, what is a 'physicist'? Which one are you, so I can be ensured that who is talking with Me is bahman?

How can I ensure that who is talking with Me is bahman?

How could you ensure that who is talking with you is God?

Hopefully you can now understand how self-evident it is, how it is a person's ill-gotten beliefs, and wrongly used system of beliefs, is what stops that person from being able to see, understand and know what God really is. God's message gets lost in that ill-used belief system people have and mis-use. When a person believes that they already know the truth, because they have the "facts" or not, and/or make assumptions, which are believed to be true, based on previous experiences, then that person is totally unable to see evidence and proof any thing contrary to their own belief.

Even the people who believe God exists are NOT yet even capable of expressing what God is. ALL of them, unfortunately, actually do not even have a clue of what God is yet. Human beings just do not accept nor realize how detrimental their beliefs are to them. Human beings like to think that they know a lot, but the Truth is while they keep believing in their beliefs, they are looking stupider and stupider as time goes on. As has been proven so far even God can not convey Its message successfully, while people are believing they are not open to the Truth.

However, it WILL take ONLY one person who becomes truly open to then be able to learn, understand and reason any and everything, and thus also be able to teach all the others the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong in Life, which includes who/what God actually IS.

But the truth is extremely easily, and also instantly, found and known. That is with the 'know-how' of how to find it.

It is not that easy otherwise people were not to scattered when it comes to religion.

With the right 'know-how' people will also NOT be to scattered when it comes to science also.

I have already explained WHY all people are scattered when it comes to religion, for your information it is the exact same reason WHY all people are scattered when it comes to science also. And, if the Truth be known, that WHY that is causing the scattering of all peoples hitherto, when shown and taught, will also bring with it the discovery of the cure for all human beings forever more. The prevention of that WHY, which causes all the 'scattering', confusion and suffering, of all human beings, is the cause of, and thus, the cure-all for all human beings. Life can then be lived without confusion and suffering and thus be lived that Life was meant to be, i.e., together as One in peace and harmony forever more.

[Dontaskme]

Bahman. . . THE IDEA OF YOU has to die BEFORE God can reveal himself in all his glory.

No die on your part ..no reveal on his part. . Why? because there's only room in here for ONE

Not literally die, but die to the idea of a separate you. You didn't make yourself. That which made you is the only one here. We call that one God. There is no you because there is no other than you.

It really is that simple..too simple for some.

Religion has nothing to do with God. God hates religion.


It is impossible to work your way into a relationship with God. You must be born into it. The second birth. The spiritual birth. Religion is not the answer. Religion is the problem.

Religion is man-made structure. God made man and man made religion. God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that relationship and has been trying to find his own way by inventing religions and cults of all kinds in an effort to replace that void left by lack of relationship with his Creator.

The only relationship in life is between mind and heart. You know God in your heart. And God knows your heart. It's a
reciprocal relationship from Self to Self. It's the ONE LOVE in action...dreaming difference where there is none.

See image for the meaning of the second birth....and is what's meant by the second coming of CHRIST

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[Arising_uk]

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Religion has nothing to do with God. God hates religion. ...

What about the other 'God's'?

[attofishpi]

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Religion has nothing to do with God. God hates religion. ...

What about the other 'God's'?

So!! You are a polyagnostic atheist!

[surreptitious57]

I am saying that I do not at this point in time accept the existence of God because there is precisely zero evidence for him

Do you mean I know there IS no evidence or I HAVE no evidence? ( Speaking for yourself of course how could you be speaking for someone else? )

I have no evidence probably because there is none although I have to allow for the possibility however small that there could be some

Though I am atheist my position is better defined as apatheism meaning it does not matter to me whether or not he exists

If I told you there was a tiger in the room would being an apatheist about it make any sense? How would apathy protect anyone against any fact?

Apatheism by its very definition only pertains to God not to tigers and so one cannot be apathetic about them

I also like the way you casually inserted the word fact in there as if what you were actually alluding to was one

Were the existence of God a fact then atheism would have been falsified and atheists would have no basis for being one anymore

However I just refuse to accept that he does so without rational justification for that position which is entirely reasonable

Rational justification? If you mean that there is a ton of it. In fact there is nothing irrational at all about God as an idea. The only

arguments against His existence are empirical and usually based on the strategy of argumentum ad ignoratiam rather than any positive disproof

Some ideas of God are more rational than others such as the pantheistic one but those who believe in God think that he is more than just an idea

[Hobbes' Choice]

I am saying that I do not at this point in time accept the existence of God because there is precisely zero evidence for him

Do you mean "I know there IS no evidence," or "I HAVE no evidence"? (Speaking for yourself, of course; how could you be speaking for someone else?)

What do you think the evidence would look like?
Where is YOUR evidence?

[Arising_uk]

So!! You are a polyagnostic atheist!

Nope, just wondered how dontaskme knows there is just one 'God'?

[attofishpi]

So!! You are a polyagnostic atheist!

Nope, just wondered how dontaskme knows there is just one 'God'?

Its obvious...surely it adheres to occam's razor?

[bahman]

I think there you are wrong, "Ignorance is Bliss", and most people would rather be happy than not ignorant. Atheists claim that they are denying God in order to pursue knowledge through science, but they are ignoring the knowledge that can be gained by spiritual means.

I think that people would practice spirituality if there was a way to gain knowledge from it.

I read a story once that illustrates this.

A man went to his barber for a hair cut, and while getting the trim the conversation went through several subjects and finally the barber stated that "There is no God."
The man was a bit puzzled and asked why the barber believed this, and the barber replied, "There can't be a God because there is so much suffering and evil in the world."
The man didn't have an answer, so was quiet for the rest of the hair cut. When he had paid and was leaving, he say a man walking on the other side of the street with long shaggy hair, unshaven and disheveled. The man stepped back into the door of the shop and announced, "There are no such things as barbers."
The surprised barber said, "What do you mean? I'm right here."
to which the man replied, "If there are barbers, how can there be people like that, who obviously need a hair cut?"
To which the barber replied, "But they don't come to me!"
"Exactly."

There is no fault for man when barber doesn't declare his existence. Isn't it? I think we have over 4000 religions because people search the truth. We instead can have one true religion if God wanted to declare Its existence.

[bahman]

I have answered it. The answer to that is very simple and easy to understand. Just some people do not know how to find the solution.

The only thing you said in reply to the answer was, "I don't understand what you are trying to say here." You did not ask any clarifying questions nor shown any interest in it. So, now saying, "you simply cannot answer my question...", is totally incorrect. If you were really interested, then you would have shown some sort of inquisitiveness by questioning Me further. You have not done so, so I have not bothered to explain further.

I also asked you to provide some sort of sign that you are open, which you are not doing.

I don't remember where you answer the question related to too many religions.

So what is your definition of God? I hope this question does not annoy you since I defined God but you didn't.

When did you define God, and what was that definition?

Why would think that question would supposedly "annoy" Me?
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God for sake of discussion in this thread is the creator who is omnipotent and omniscient. What is your definition?

Another person using the word 'reality' like they KNOW what it is.

There is no another systematic method rather than science for studding the reality. Do you know a better method?

You have completely forgotten to add that "God doesn't make itself evident," 'to you'.

Have you not heard what others are saying to you. Obviously, God has made Itself evident to them. Thus, it is 'you' that supposedly God does not make Itself evident to. Maybe you should be explaining to us why God does not make Itself evident to you.

What could the possible reasons be? Ah that is right, you believe there is no God. If there is no God, why the continual absolutely stupid questions about a non such thing?

By the way I have NEVER evaded your question. AGAIN I already answered it. You are unable to understand My answer, as you already admitted. But do not feel too bad. No other person is yet to understand what I am saying regards this little and simple issue. If you are really interested in understanding My answer, THEN ask some questions. Or, do you expect Me to totally know and understand what it is that you do NOT, yet, understand?

Well, it seems that we have to start first to find God before God make itself evident to us. But how I can start anything when there are over 4000 religion. I cannot possibly study and practice all. So who's fault it is if I cannot find God? God's fault.

[bahman]

What evidence and/or proof would suffice that God is talking to you? Then, after that happens, are you suggesting all God would have to do is say, "I am God" and you would totally believe it?

You stated that, "God can make me believe what It is. I can even explain to you what I am so I cannot understand how God could fail."

You have yet to explain to Me what bahman is. Your explanation that bahman is a human being, as well as as a physicist will not suffice, as it appears confusing.

Also you have completely refused to answer my clarifying questions regarding what a human being is, what it is supposedly made up of, etc. Also, what is a 'physicist'? Which one are you, so I can be ensured that who is talking with Me is bahman?

How can I ensure that who is talking with Me is bahman?

How could you ensure that who is talking with you is God?

Hopefully you can now understand how self-evident it is, how it is a person's ill-gotten beliefs, and wrongly used system of beliefs, is what stops that person from being able to see, understand and know what God really is. God's message gets lost in that ill-used belief system people have and mis-use. When a person believes that they already know the truth, because they have the "facts" or not, and/or make assumptions, which are believed to be true, based on previous experiences, then that person is totally unable to see evidence and proof any thing contrary to their own belief.

Even the people who believe God exists are NOT yet even capable of expressing what God is. ALL of them, unfortunately, actually do not even have a clue of what God is yet. Human beings just do not accept nor realize how detrimental their beliefs are to them. Human beings like to think that they know a lot, but the Truth is while they keep believing in their beliefs, they are looking stupider and stupider as time goes on. As has been proven so far even God can not convey Its message successfully, while people are believing they are not open to the Truth.

However, it WILL take ONLY one person who becomes truly open to then be able to learn, understand and reason any and everything, and thus also be able to teach all the others the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong in Life, which includes who/what God actually IS.

God is the creator, isn't It? I need that It shows me that how It could create.

With the right 'know-how' people will also NOT be to scattered when it comes to science also.

I have already explained WHY all people are scattered when it comes to religion, for your information it is the exact same reason WHY all people are scattered when it comes to science also. And, if the Truth be known, that WHY that is causing the scattering of all peoples hitherto, when shown and taught, will also bring with it the discovery of the cure for all human beings forever more. The prevention of that WHY, which causes all the 'scattering', confusion and suffering, of all human beings, is the cause of, and thus, the cure-all for all human beings. Life can then be lived without confusion and suffering and thus be lived that Life was meant to be, i.e., together as One in peace and harmony forever more.

Science is a method for finding truth based on what we observe. It is under progress and revision always. That how do we learn about truth. God however knows truth so it should be simple for God to explain things to us.

[Arising_uk]

Its obvious...surely it adheres to occam's razor?

Which applies to a single 'God' I presume?

[attofishpi]

Its obvious...surely it adheres to occam's razor?

Which applies to a single 'God' I presume?

When one knows 'God' exists...why complicate matters further.

[Arising_uk]

When one knows 'God' exists...why complicate matters further.

When one knows how things work why bother complicating things with metaphysical entities like a 'God'?

Although don't you have two such entities, 'God' and this 'Sage'?

[attofishpi]

When one knows 'God' exists...why complicate matters further.

When one knows how things work why bother complicating things with metaphysical entities like a 'God'?

Do you really think you know how things work?

Although don't you have two such entities, 'God' and this 'Sage'?

Um. I guess you have books (i do to + a sage).