Gee wrote:Greylorn Ell wrote:
I read the Wiki article, which lacks clarity and is not well-edited. From it, I conclude that Blanco failed to distinguish the subconscious from the conscious mind. The effect is that he muddles mental functionality in his attempts to fit it into his five categories, merely expanding upon Freud's errors.
Perhaps his book would reflect his work more coherently than this Wiki article.
Greylorn;
Although we agree on many aspects of consciousness, we have a serious difference of opinion here. I know that there are a lot of people who love to hate Freud, but I think that he was a genius. My understanding of psychology has been a tremendous boon to my understandings of consciousness, and it is my considered opinion that one can not fully grasp the concept of consciousness without an understanding of psychology and the divisions of mind.
To me, the division of the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is obvious. The conscious mind is rational, logical, and is directed by us; the subconscious mind is completely reactionary and is ruled by emotion. This looks like a big difference to me. The conscious rational mind is involved in time and space and the material world; the subconscious mind has no clue as to time and space and only seems to relate to other life. This looks like another big difference to me.
I asked you in a PM what you think that the soul or "beon" actually is, and you did not answer. So I am asking again, and would also like to know what you think "mind" actually is and if they are the same thing.
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Gee,
We have other differences of opinion that you don't know about yet. Yes, Freud was a genius. And like many other science pioneers, he got a few things wrong, and of course could not see the larger picture, because it was developed by those who put his insights to work.
The workings of any machine, however simple and complex, can be defined in terms of functions and mechanisms. Functions require mechanisms. For example, when you turn on your car's ignition switch, the engine starts. Starting an engine is a function that requires specific mechanisms-- switch, battery, starter motor, gears, and a solenoid. Should your car fail to start, the mechanic expected to fix it will first verify that these mechanisms all work properly. To do so, he must also be able to
identify these mechanisms.
Now consider Freud's description of the brain, its division into conscious and subconscios minds. Those are described in his work as well as your interpretation of it, as functions. Where are the mechanisms that perform those functions?
Can you identify the brain component, or set of components, that produces the conscious mind? Probably not, because neither psychology nor neuroscience can either. Unless you'd happily take your car to a mechanic who could not identify the starter, you might rethink your acceptance of conventional opinions about the nature of mind.
Then, in your sentence, "
The conscious mind is rational, logical, and is directed by us;...," what is this "us?"
My mind-model is unconventional. Briefly,
beon is the mechanism of super-consciousness (a post-Freudian function that is not accepted as real by all psychologists), the sub-conscious is the cortex, and what they call the conscious mind is actually the result of beon and cortical brain working together. (Thalamus and hypothalamus are non-conscious.)
Examples of how beon and brain actually work together show some of the errors in current opinions about the subconscious. The silliest is that it does not understand space or time. Watch a football game and when the quarterback throws a successful pass while running away from three big guys who want to knock him down, to a receiver who is running downfield at an angle, with a pair of defenders closing in on him from different directions, ask yourself if you really believe that the quarterback consciously figured out the dynamically changing spatial relationships between himself and his receiver, consciously solving at least two differential equations in the process, and then consciously moved his throwing arm in precisely the right direction, and with the exact force needed, to get the ball to where his receiver was going to be 1.87 seconds of
time later.
Any shrink who believes that the subconscious does not know about space (and a lot more!) is not paying attention to reality.
If my memory serves me reliably, I think that I replied to your PM by inviting you to read my book. You declined to do so but proposed that I peruse your posts in this thread. I've finished with the first five sections. It's a slow process, because I disagree with many of your positions, and the only way for me to recall ideas that I disagree with or fail to understand properly is to interact with them.
You know all about prerequisites, and their importance in the learning process. No one that I know of has the background knowledge needed to understand Beon Theory from a brief description except, maybe, Roger Penrose.
The
beonconcept is extremely simple, but still requires specific knowledge in order to be understood. This knowledge includes some basic, simple physics principles. You admitted that you don't know physics. In addition to other things, my book includes the necessary physics, carefully explained. My editor had not taken so much as a high school algebra class, and she made perfect sense of it. (She now subscribes to a pop-sci magazine, and is finding serious science very interesting.)
I did not advise reading "Digital Universe -- Analog Soul" so that I could make another $2.35. I advised it because, after studying the thoughts you've expressed, I felt that you would find Beon Theory especially interesting. You are clearly qualified to understand it and the physics that you may be afraid of (few are) and will find answers to the core questions that seem to engage your mind. Beon Theory would answer similar questions from others, but most of those few who have read it are speed readers. Speed reading works for newspapers, popular magazines, and overwritten novels; it probably works for well-studied attorneys researching legal precedents. It does not work when learning new concepts.
The answers to your query are readily available, and I'm not withholding them. They have been formally presented. This forum is not the place for their explication.