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Horseshit, you can FEEL a bad disposition towards a belief and still choose it.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:57 pm I can't choose what I feel is good or bad. I'm reporting my dispositions.
I can choose what to believe.Are you brain washed that you can't choose what you believe? Or are you perhaps confusing choosing with exercise of Free Will?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:35 pmPersonally I can't choose what to believe. What Peter said is the only option that has good reasons for belief. Hence I can't help but believe it.
Maybe you can do this. Why would you insist that other people are just like you are?Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:58 pmHorseshit, you can FEEL a bad disposition towards a belief and still choose it.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:57 pm I can't choose what I feel is good or bad. I'm reporting my dispositions.
You can FEEL a good disposition towards a belief and still not choose it.
I insist nothing of this sort...Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:01 pm Maybe you can do this. Why would you insist that other people are just like you are?
Sounds like you are saying that you can't choose to believe that murdering people is good.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:35 pm Personally I can't choose what to believe. What Peter said is the only option that has good reasons for belief. Hence I can't help but believe it.
Re " perhaps confusing choosing with exercise of Free Will," what distinction are you making there?Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:59 pmI can choose what to believe.Are you brain washed that you can't choose what you believe? Or are you perhaps confusing choosing with exercise of Free Will?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:35 pmPersonally I can't choose what to believe. What Peter said is the only option that has good reasons for belief. Hence I can't help but believe it.
Correct.
Maybe I could. I don't know. In general, I can choose at least some actions to take, but not beliefs.Sounds like you can't choose to murder people.
Again, morality is value judgments we make about interpersonal behavior.Sounds like your morality is independent from your mind's volition
Not according to you.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:05 pm Again, morality is value judgments we make about interpersonal behavior.
Right. Making a value judgment doesn't hinge on it being a choice. It's a disposition you have.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:07 pmNot according to you.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:05 pm Again, morality is value judgments we make about interpersonal behavior.
Your "value judgments" are not judgments of any sort. They are "just the way your brain works".
I don't understand why you are using the word "making" (which has the connotations of autonomy) where it's not up to you to value "good" over "bad" reasons for belief.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:09 pm Right. Making a value judgment doesn't hinge on it being a choice. It's a disposition you have.
One is not different than one's brain.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:10 pmI don't understand why you are using the word "making" (which has the connotations of autonomy) where it's not up to you to value "good" over "bad" reasons for belief.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:09 pm Right. Making a value judgment doesn't hinge on it being a choice. It's a disposition you have.
YOU are not "making value judgments". Your brain is.
Are you sure?
Dynamics implies interaction of parts.
Only those beliefs you choose to be choices...Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:15 pmIt does. But that doesn't imply that (every) belief can be a choice for every person.Then one's brain should correspond precisely to one's volition.