Christianity

[Harbal]

harbal declared: "I would be angry if someone stole what I considered to be my property."

Why?

Because I would have been deprived of my possession when I wanted it to remain within my possession.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You're ducking the question again.

Immanuel, I am not interested in playing the sort of games that are your favorites. You completely and you thoroughly lost the recent debate on every point. What you need to fo is pipe down and accept it. Inknow you won’t and cannot.

I accept this.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Indeed not: One has to first become an Alexisite, and then progress towards being a turnip.

A Turnip with an impressive array of Noble Titles! That’s surely something!

[Immanuel Can]

You're ducking the question again.

Immanuel, I am not interested in playing the sort of games...

Projection. Pure projection. I ask for a straight answer, and you claim it's "playing games"...which is a "game."

Nobody's buying it, AJ.

[Alexis Jacobi]

indeed, hobbes wuz right. like my last wife, nature too is nasty, brutish and short, and with no regard for my 'rights'.

For that reason “right” is therefore meta-natural and meta-physical.

It’s intuitively obvious!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Nobody's buying it, AJ.

Who is the plurality you refer to here?

[Harbal]

Indeed not: One has to first become an Alexisite, and then progress towards being a turnip.

A Turnip with an impressive array of Noble Titles! That’s surely something!

As the alternative would be nothing, then yes, I'm sure it must be something. See, you're not the only one who can do metaphysics.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I ask for a straight answer

It is amusing that you missed my answer. You use the term ‘straight’ here. And I referred to Lucretian ‘swerve’. I have a larger and I think a coherent point to make about this. Indeed I have been making that point.

But it sails over your zealot’s head.

And this is why you are just as needed here as Harbal is. The thread would have died long ago were it not for your amazing, if also frightening intransigence. And Harbal’s invincible ignorance.

I love this thread! Like Tiny Tim I shout

God bless us — everyone!

[Harbal]

I ask for a straight answer

You use the term ‘straight’ here. And I referred to Lucretian ‘swerve’.

Ah, the Lucretian swerve; that takes me back to my disco days.

[henry quirk]

harbal: "Because I would have been deprived of my possession when I wanted it to remain within my possession."

I wanna be sure I understand you. You'd be angry if someone took your property becuz it's your property?

[henry quirk]

AJ: “right” is therefore meta-natural and meta-physical.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by meta-natural and meta-physical?

[Harbal]

harbal: "Because I would have been deprived of my possession when I wanted it to remain within my possession."

I wanna be sure I understand you. You'd be angry if someone took your property becuz it's your property?

Well, I supose I would still be angry if the property that was stoled belonged to someone else, but I happened to be borrowing it at the time of the theft.

[Harbal]

AJ: “right” is therefore meta-natural and meta-physical.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by meta-natural and meta-physical?

Jacobi is completely incapable of not elaborating. Your request will probably result in the equivalent of a short story.

[Alexis Jacobi]

AJ: “right” is therefore meta-natural and meta-physical.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by meta-natural and meta-physical?

Jacobi is completely incapable of not elaborating. Your request will probably result in the equivalent of a short story.

All of my ideas -- about religion, about *higher ethics* and really about human being -- depend on the concept of the metaphysical.

In the natural world creatures take what they want, and what they can get, through wiles or might, and that is just the way it is. Though a creature feels their right to their own body, in nature I do not think that such a right really exists. The substance of one creature is needed and taken when needed from another. It is the way it is.

But in the human world we, to all appearances, have access to *higher dimensions* of understanding. We perceive, or we intuit, what is above nature -- meta-natural -- and we understand it to be non-physical, non-locatable, and invisible.

Does such really exist? Yes, I say, it exists as anything else exists, and it exists through its enormous effects. Meta-physical perception is realized in man's psyche. And these ideas make up the human world. Justice, love, hope, and really value and also meaning -- these are metaphysical and thus meta-natural.

[Immanuel Can]

Nobody's buying it, AJ.

Who is the plurality you refer to here?

"Nobody" isn't actually a plurality. It means "no body." That's not two or more, it's less than any.

However, if you want a plurality, I'm not being fooled, and neither are you. If anybody else happens by, they won't be fooled either.