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Is there any reason to think that is not the case?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pmIt's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
Do you think that all gods throughout human history have been imagined as persons?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:56 pm Lacewing: Then might it be possible that a god is not 'a being' in the way that humans frame such a thing?
If the entity or force isn't a person, has no being, then we're not talkin' about God (or any god).
As demonstrated, we are able to be and do all kinds of things regardless of beliefs.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pm It's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
The god imagery created by humans all throughout history has never turned out to be more than human creations of their time period.
free will is a bitchLacewing wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:06 pmAs demonstrated, we are able to be and do all kinds of things regardless of beliefs.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pm It's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
Here are 4 that work for me (along with all the more formal arguments)...uwot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:51 pmIs there any reason to think that is not the case?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pmIt's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
You say it like it is inevitable, yet programming can be broken.Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:11 pmThe god imagery created by humans all throughout history has never turned out to be more than human creations of their time period.
Interesting how Christianity wrote-in the idea of a grand revelation and judgement 'coming someday', to secure and perpetuate it indefinitely.
Claiming (suddenly at that time in history) there can be 'no other gods' -- only this one is 'true'. How many times has humankind done that throughout history?
Human history shows that religions last thousands of years before people work through them. A sign of how programmable humans are, and how dependent they are on their programs. Very imaginative species, apparently programming ourselves.
Because you have, ONCE AGAIN, JUMPED, VERY QUICKLY, to an ASSUMPTION, BEFORE you have begun to make ANY CLARIFICATION AT ALL, you have answered Falsely, Wrongly, and Incorrectly, AGAIN.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:40 pm age,
You seem to have JUMPED, VERY QUICKLY, here that God is a person.
nope...that's been my position from the start
Okay.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:40 pm And, what, EXACTLY, is your "holy book"?
I don't have one
When 'you', "henry quirk", are talking about 'God', then 'you' may well be talking about 'a person'. But, most people that I know of are CERTAINLY NOT talking about 'a person' when they talk about 'God'.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:56 pm lace,
FOR FUCK SAKE, HENRY...
Human words and beliefs do not necessarily answer that question in an unbiased and logical way if they are describing what man might want to believe/imagine.
This all may be true, but that has nuthin' to do with the word God and its accepted meaning. If we're talkin' about God, then we're talkin' about a person.
Okay.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:40 pm If we're not talkin' about a person, then -- in context -- we're not talkin' about God (or any god).
So, here you are now suggesting that God is NOT 'a being' but rather 'has' 'a being', correct?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:40 pm
Then might it be possible that a god is not 'a being' in the way that humans frame such a thing?
Sure, but then we're not talkin' about God anymore. If the entity or force isn't a person, has no being, then we're not talkin' about God (or any god).
Yes. The very fact of what the word 'God' refers to, EXACTLY, and how 'that' ACTUALLY EXISTS, is a reason WHY to NOT think that 'you', human beings, are NOT living in a Godless Universe.uwot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:51 pmIs there any reason to think that is not the case?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pmIt's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
Great that they work for you. Is that any reason they should work for others?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:42 pmHere are 4 that work for me (along with all the more formal arguments)...uwot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:51 pmIs there any reason to think that is not the case?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:00 pmIt's possible we are amoral, morally-vacant, ape-variants livin' in an amoral, Godless, universe.
The existence of mind, free will, ownness, and conscience.