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Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:08 pm**

Ukraine War was created by US …

Putin had no say?

lol

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:19 pm**

mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:08 pm
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:51 am Ukraine War was created by US …

Thanks for the affirmation.

Just as the US started the Iraq War on false premises.
This is US's MO.....it rejects any government that prevents American corporations from pillaging the nation's resources.
Plenty of opportunistic traitors to use as proxies, like Zelensky.
They tried to pillage Russia's resources, during Yeltsin's time...but he had the patriotism to promote Putin....and Putin took care of the "oligarchs."
Guess what their names are. Were they circumcised?
I think most of them were.

The US will never tolerate any government that denies access to its nation's resources.
Remember Nicaragua and Cuba?
Remember Libya?
Now they are after Iran.....

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm**

Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:19 pm
mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:08 pm
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:51 am Ukraine War was created by US …

Thanks for the affirmation.

Just as the US started the Iraq War on false premises.
This is US's MO.....it rejects any government that prevents American corporations from pillaging the nation's resources.
Plenty of opportunistic traitors to use as proxies, like Zelensky.
They tried to pillage Russia's resources, during Yeltsin's time...but he had the patriotism to promote Putin....and Putin took care of the "oligarchs."
Guess what their names are. Were they circumcised?
I think most of them were.

The US will never tolerate any government that denies access to its nation's resources.
Remember Nicaragua and Cuba?
Remember Libya?
Now they are after Iran.....

It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:27 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?

Yes.

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.

The issue is that the US cannot impose its will, as it did in the past.
Its sanctioning and tariffs, are no longer effective because of BRICS.
America's elites live in the past, when US power was so formidable that they could impose their will on other nations.
We are in a multi-polar world order.
US is no longer hegemonic...

Furthermore, Ukraine is not a nation-state. Ukraine was created by the Soviets.
Ukrainians are fellow Slavs...an ethnicity, for sure...but the current borders do not belong to Ukraine, since they were created by Stalin.

Russia is an emerging military power, and US, through NATO, attempts to destroy it has had the opposite effect.

Look into why the neo-cons harbor such animosity towards Russia?
Who are the neo-cons?
From where are they?
Are they the children of migrants from eastern Europe?
Look into the names.
Ex-Trotskyites trained by Strauss?

What was and is the neo-con strategy?

They tried to take over when Russia was weak, after the end of the Cold War, and they failed, because of Putin.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:43 pm**

Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:27 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?
Yes.

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.
The issue is that the US cannot impose its will, as it did in the past.
Its sanctioning and tariffs, are no longer effective because of BRICS.
America's elites live in the past, when US power was so formidable that they could impose their will on other nations.
We are in a multi-polar world order.
US is no longer hegemonic...

Furthermore, Ukraine is not a nation-state. Ukraine was created by the Soviets.
Ukrainians are fellow Slavs...an ethnicity, for sure...but the current borders do not belong to Ukraine, since they were created by Stalin.

Russia is an emerging military power, and US, through NATO, attempts to destroy it has had the opposite effect.

Look into why the neo-cons harbor such animosity towards Russia?
Who are the neo-cons?
From where are they?
Are they the children of migrants from eastern Europe?
Look into the names.
Ex-Trotskyites trained by Strauss?

What was and is the neo-con strategy?

They tried to take over when Russia was weak, after the end of the Cold War, and they failed, because of Putin.

That seems true. We live in a world where US hegemony has dissipated. Nothing lasts forever. It's just the way things are. The sooner our elites embrace reality and get used to it, the less tension there will be. Nations should work together, not against one another. After the Soviet Union collapsed there were opportunities to bury the hatchet and mend differences. Those opportunities were not correctly seized upon and this is the natural result. This is the reality we must face and come to amicable terms with.

Posted: **Thu May 08, 2025 6:49 am**

seeds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:45 pm One can only hope that if the petulant pusbag in the "Whitey House" orders some sort of military invasion of Canada, or Mexico, or Greenland, or any of our other allies,...

...again, one would hope that the members of the military would refuse the orders and instead invade the "Oval Orifice" in order to surgically remove America's painful hemorrhoid along with its stinking cluster of clinging dingleberries.

However, seeing how the talking hemorrhoid might actually be the freakin' Antichrist*, fate may have something else in mind.

* You guys may have already seen this video of Pope Trump, but if not, check it out...

https://youtu.be/_mYDpsg1FaM
_______

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2025 10:42 pm**

What to make of this: https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/video/pr ... edia-post/

In other words, what if Putin has gone off the deep end?

Then this part: "Russia possesses a total of 4,299 nuclear warheads as of 2025, the largest confirmed stockpile of nuclear warheads in the world. Russia's deployed missiles (those actually ready to be launched) number about 1,710, also the largest confirmed strategically deployed arsenal in the world as of 2024." wiki

Of course, some insist that Trump is more than able to match Putin when it comes to going off the deep end. And he also has access to thousands of nuclear warheads.

That's how these things basically work. There's "the system" in place that revolves around "mutually assured destruction". But there is also the "human element". What if Putin does resort to nukes in Ukraine? What if he does go stark raving mad?

So, the crucial question might be the extent to which the Russian military is willing to follow his orders.

Same here. There's what the President of the United States orders the military to do, and then there's whether or not the Joint Chiefs of Staff balk at carrying those orders out.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm**

I honestly think Europe ought to grant Putin his wish that NATO not expand any further Eastward toward Russia. In the name of peace and saving human lives, it's the humane thing to do. If it were us we would do the same if we were in Russia's shoes. We did the same thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis, demanding that Russia not base nukes in Cuba. Membership for Ukraine in NATO could potentially present the same problem to Russia.

It seems fair to me. Do we wish to stand for greed and world domination, or do we wish to stand for the welfare of all humanity? Putin has made his choice and we can do nothing sensible about it. But we can convince our own leaders through democratic means to place their greed aside and make a deal to keep Ukraine neutral. As an American citizen, I hope our President will make every effort to make it happen.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 025-05-28/

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 10:40 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:19 pm
mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:08 pm
Thanks for the affirmation.

Just as the US started the Iraq War on false premises.
This is US's MO.....it rejects any government that prevents American corporations from pillaging the nation's resources.
Plenty of opportunistic traitors to use as proxies, like Zelensky.
They tried to pillage Russia's resources, during Yeltsin's time...but he had the patriotism to promote Putin....and Putin took care of the "oligarchs."
Guess what their names are. Were they circumcised?
I think most of them were.

The US will never tolerate any government that denies access to its nation's resources.
Remember Nicaragua and Cuba?
Remember Libya?
Now they are after Iran.....
It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.

Have you considered that you are only being fed part of the story/truth, here, "gary childress"?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 10:56 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm I honestly think Europe ought to grant Putin his wish that NATO not expand any further Eastward toward Russia.

If "nato/usa" had not kept expanding, in the beginning, then this whole mess, which was caused and created by them continually moving eastwards would not have even begun.

In the name of peace and saving human lives, it's the humane thing to do. If it were us we would do the same if we were in Russia's shoes. We did the same thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis, demanding that Russia not base nukes in Cuba. Membership for Ukraine in NATO could potentially present the same problem to Russia.

It seems fair to me. Do we wish to stand for greed and world domination, or do we wish to stand for the welfare of all humanity?

If the 'we' word, here, is referring to you people from the so-called "united states of america", then obviously you people collectively stand for greed and world domination. This is unquestionable.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm Putin has made his choice and we can do nothing sensible about it. But we can convince our own leaders through democratic means to place their greed aside and make a deal to keep Ukraine neutral.

you obviously have not yet noticed the 'mental states' of your so-called "leaders".

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm As an American citizen, I hope our President will make every effort to make it happen.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 025-05-28/

But it is your "leader" who is one of the most greediest people in human history.

The very Fact that 'that person' will not provide support for peace, unless "one side" provides that "leader" with mineral resources goes to show and prove just how Truly greedy and selfish 'that one' really is.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:01 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:40 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:19 pm
Thanks for the affirmation.

Just as the US started the Iraq War on false premises.
This is US's MO.....it rejects any government that prevents American corporations from pillaging the nation's resources.
Plenty of opportunistic traitors to use as proxies, like Zelensky.
They tried to pillage Russia's resources, during Yeltsin's time...but he had the patriotism to promote Putin....and Putin took care of the "oligarchs."
Guess what their names are. Were they circumcised?
I think most of them were.

The US will never tolerate any government that denies access to its nation's resources.
Remember Nicaragua and Cuba?
Remember Libya?
Now they are after Iran.....
It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.
Have you considered that you are only being fed part of the story/truth, here, "gary childress"?

It's always a possibility (probably very plausible) that I don't have the whole story. What do you think I should have said instead of what is written above that would have been more appropriate? Or why are you thinking that I may not have the whole story/truth in the picture above? What's missing?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:03 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm I honestly think Europe ought to grant Putin his wish that NATO not expand any further Eastward toward Russia.

If "nato/usa" had not kept expanding, in the beginning, then this whole mess, which was caused and created by them continually moving eastwards would not have even begun.

In the name of peace and saving human lives, it's the humane thing to do. If it were us we would do the same if we were in Russia's shoes. We did the same thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis, demanding that Russia not base nukes in Cuba. Membership for Ukraine in NATO could potentially present the same problem to Russia.

It seems fair to me. Do we wish to stand for greed and world domination, or do we wish to stand for the welfare of all humanity?
If the 'we' word, here, is referring to you people from the so-called "united states of america", then obviously you people collectively stand for greed and world domination. This is unquestionable.

Do all citizens of the US stand for those things or mostly those in leadership capacities?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:41 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:01 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:40 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:18 pm

It seems to me that the best way for peace is for Ukraine to concede some of its territory to Russia and for some form of guarantee that it remains outside of NATO. It seems like there is no other rational option. Would you agree?

War is not a good state of affairs for anyone. I can understand Russia's opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. You are right about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seems fair to Russia to leave Ukraine neutral for Russia's peace of mind. We would act the same way if we were in their shoes. And indeed we did act the same way with Cuba and other nations.
Have you considered that you are only being fed part of the story/truth, here, "gary childress"?
It's always a possibility (probably very plausible) that I don't have the whole story. What do you think I should have said instead of what is written above that would have been more appropriate?

Instead of thinking/saying that the 'best way' for peace is to concede, and/or 'hand over', what is "yours", just because another is attacking you/your belongings, would it not be more appropriate to saying some thing along the lines of, 'the best way forward for peace is to find the root cause, and then to prevent 'that' from ever happening again'?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:01 pm Or why are you thinking that I may not have the whole story/truth in the picture above?

Because of the way you suggest that "ukraine" just hand over some thing, for what was essentially started and caused by "nato/usa".

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:01 pm What's missing?

More than you and i are aware of.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:48 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:03 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 9:14 pm I honestly think Europe ought to grant Putin his wish that NATO not expand any further Eastward toward Russia.

If "nato/usa" had not kept expanding, in the beginning, then this whole mess, which was caused and created by them continually moving eastwards would not have even begun.

In the name of peace and saving human lives, it's the humane thing to do. If it were us we would do the same if we were in Russia's shoes. We did the same thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis, demanding that Russia not base nukes in Cuba. Membership for Ukraine in NATO could potentially present the same problem to Russia.

It seems fair to me. Do we wish to stand for greed and world domination, or do we wish to stand for the welfare of all humanity?
If the 'we' word, here, is referring to you people from the so-called "united states of america", then obviously you people collectively stand for greed and world domination. This is unquestionable.
Do all citizens of the US stand for those things or mostly those in leadership capacities?

Collectively yes.

Obviously if you people allow the ones you choose to so-call lead you, to lead you into causing and creating wars, like the one in "ukraine" in the days this is being written for example, then you are, collectively, 'standing for' such greedy and selfish ways.

Whilst you keep allowing 'those ways' to occur and happen, then you are 'standing for' 'those ways'.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:53 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 11:03 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:56 pm

If the 'we' word, here, is referring to you people from the so-called "united states of america", then obviously you people collectively stand for greed and world domination. This is unquestionable.
Do all citizens of the US stand for those things or mostly those in leadership capacities?
Collectively yes.

Obviously if you people allow the ones you choose to so-call lead you, to lead you into causing and creating wars, like the one in "ukraine" in the days this is being written for example, then you are, collectively, 'standing for' such greedy and selfish ways.

Whilst you keep allowing 'those ways' to occur and happen, then you are 'standing for' 'those ways'.

I see. So paying 'lipservice' to ending the Ukraine war diplomatically isn't enough. What do you think average Americans should do that would stop the Ukraine war?

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