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Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:27 am
by attofishpi
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:53 am
You need to take note that the only ALWAYS condition I set, was that ACTS of morality are always subjective. (which I now think is bollocks as stated)
Seems like we're back to square one then.
With regards to where this chat started - iambiguous agreeing with IC that morality only exists if God exists, and I stated it makes no difference to morality whether God does or doesn't exist, I stand by that.
However, I believe the fact that we have been warned that God MAY exist will likely make some second think their intentions of immoral behaviour, and hopefully result in less 'evil' actions from such people.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:28 am
by Flannel Jesus
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:27 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:53 am
You need to take note that the only ALWAYS condition I set, was that ACTS of morality are always subjective. (which I now think is bollocks as stated)
Seems like we're back to square one then.
With regards to where this chat started - iambiguous agreeing with IC that morality only exists if God exists, and I stated it makes no difference to morality whether God does or doesn't exist, I stand by that.
However, I believe the fact that we have been warned that God MAY exist will likely make some second think their intentions of immoral behaviour, and hopefully result in less 'evil' actions from such people.
Ah, behaving well out of fear, the sign of true moral character.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:30 am
by attofishpi
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:28 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:27 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am
Seems like we're back to square one then.
With regards to where this chat started - iambiguous agreeing with IC that morality only exists if God exists, and I stated it makes no difference to morality whether God does or doesn't exist, I stand by that.
However, I believe the fact that we have been warned that God MAY exist will likely make some second think their intentions of immoral behaviour, and hopefully result in less 'evil' actions from such people.
Ah, behaving well out of fear, the sign of true moral character.
Sure, but hopefully less actions of 'evil'.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
by Flannel Jesus
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:32 am
by attofishpi
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
Yes, Christianity actually does a shit job, because many people believe they can do whatever they want even if God exists, because all they need to do is believe in Christ!
FOOLS!
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 pm
by phyllo
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
It's very popular religion and there are good reasons for that.
What are the better alternatives?
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:44 pm
by Flannel Jesus
phyllo wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
It's very popular religion and there good reasons for that.
What are the better alternatives?
If we invent a new mythology to lie to people, we can invent one that doesn't have the arbitrary moral failings of people 3000 years ago or 2000 years ago. No verses that can be misconstrued to support slavery. No verses that can be misconstrued to say that women are not equal humans to men. No verses that can be misconstrued to be condemning homosexuality.
And let me eat shellfish FFS.
Just a few examples off the top of my head
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:48 pm
by attofishpi
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:44 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
It's very popular religion and there good reasons for that.
What are the better alternatives?
If we invent a new mythology to lie to people, we can invent one that doesn't have the arbitrary moral failings of people 3000 years ago or 2000 years ago. No verses that can be misconstrued to support slavery. No verses that can be misconstrued to say that women are not equal humans to men. No verses that can be misconstrued to be condemning homosexuality.
And let me eat shellfish FFS.
Just a few examples off the top of my head
Well then, sounds like you need a modern religion, BOONYISM :-
www.boonyism.com
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm
by Flannel Jesus
It's certainly in the right direction.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:54 pm
by attofishpi
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm
It's certainly in the right direction.
Do you like cricket and beer?
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:55 pm
by phyllo
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:44 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 am
If we have to invent a story to keep people behaving well, I think we can do better than Christianity.
It's very popular religion and there good reasons for that.
What are the better alternatives?
If we invent a new mythology to lie to people, we can invent one that doesn't have the arbitrary moral failings of people 3000 years ago or 2000 years ago. No verses that can be misconstrued to support slavery. No verses that can be misconstrued to say that women are not equal humans to men. No verses that can be misconstrued to be condemning homosexuality.
And let me eat shellfish FFS.
Just a few examples off the top of my head
The arrogance of the modern man.
So good and just and right. Nothing short of perfection.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:11 pm
by Flannel Jesus
I don't know what's arrogant about preferring a religious culture that doesn't advocate hatred of homosexuals over one that does...
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:27 pm
by phyllo
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:11 pm
I don't know what's arrogant about preferring a religious culture that doesn't advocate hatred of homosexuals over one that does...
It's arrogant to believe that you know so much more, that you are so much more virtuous and you would do a much better job than the people back then.
Nothing in your post suggests humility or compassion.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Who said I would be the one single handedly designing the new system? I can't design a good mythology. You asked me a question and I answered honestly, but I never implied the silly stuff you think you're responding to.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:30 pm
by attofishpi
Phyllo - buy a nail gun.