Ukraine Crisis

[Gary Childress]

So what will it take for Putin to come to the bargaining table and stop the war in Ukraine? Putin seems to be dragging his feet over a ceasefire, and even Trump is put off by it.

[Walker]

Are we sure about this? Could this be Russian propaganda? ChatGPT frames it differently.

It's a quote from a NY Times investigation.

Hmm...I see a salient point there.

The NY Times references "far deeper" involvement than previously known.
ChatGPT does not mention any far deeper involvement than previously known, which misses the point.

[Atla]

The secret partnership both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

This has been obvious for years lol. What "secret" partnership?

After Putin made the blunder of invading Ukraine, the US capitalized on it.

[FlashDangerpants]

So what will it take for Putin to come to the bargaining table and stop the war in Ukraine? Putin seems to be dragging his feet over a ceasefire, and even Trump is put off by it.

Ending the war is as much of a risk for him personally as starting it was. Before he kicked it off, he saved up several hundred billion dollars to fund it and he had a battle plan that would take Kiev in the first two days, plus the eastern half of Ukriane in two weeks. All to be done using readily available resources.

Now he has spent all the reserve cash, blown through all the reserve tanks and run most of his aircraft for longer than their service lives. To keep going at this rate, the entire Russian economy is now devoted to total war. To make that possible, the banking sector is now overexposed to the arms manufacturing sector that will default on its loans as soon as the war ends.

Today his problem is an economy that has inadequate manpower resources and full employment. But when that economy has to repay debt instead of rolling it all over, a million soldiers will return from war and have no jobs. Millions of those who didn't go to war will also be jobless. That's a bad set of circumstances for an authoritarian regime. On top of that, Europe probably isn't going to remove sanctions even if America does.

When you ride a tiger, your real problems start when you want to dismount.








..... of course, all this is already known. What would get Putin safely off the tiger ride would be a global economic meltdown, in which case Russia's situation would be just the same as everywhere else's and his captive propaganda audience can be persuaded that Putin's recklessness with their livelihoods is no worse that Trump's with those of their Amrican enemy. If he was secretly operating Trump like a puppet, his best course of action would be to have public disagreements with his sockpuppet while secretly using that guy to cause a global economic depression. .... but that's not happening right in front of your eyes today is it?

[Walker]

The secret partnership both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

This has been obvious for years lol. What "secret" partnership?

After Putin made the blunder of invading Ukraine, the US capitalized on it.

According to the NY Times, their information goes far deeper than previously known. One must pay money to read The NY Times investigation to see the proof of this, if proof other than inference in required. I didn’t pay to play. The NY Times did mention that not many high level folks were in the know about this information that they say goes far deeper. Hmm. I suppose a bait and switch by the NY Times isn’t all that improbable, as you suggest.

[phyllo]

Yo, master deal maker, where are you?

You were going to get peace in one day.

People are dying. Get off the golf course.

[phyllo]

Rubio says that US is almost ready to abandon efforts to get a Ukraine peace deal.

Is the US going to keep providing military support to Ukraine? Seems unlikely.

Putin outplayed Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmy5HP420k

[Walker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUUk6wVNrY

[Age]

So what will it take for Putin to come to the bargaining table and stop the war in Ukraine? Putin seems to be dragging his feet over a ceasefire, and even Trump is put off by it.

1. I suggest you do not be 'fooled' by "donald trump's" pretending.

2. Once more, what it will take for "vladimir putin" to come to the bargaining table is the exact opposite thing that brought 'that one' to start a war on or over "ukraine". If the so-called "west" had not kept advancing towards "russia", then 'this war' would not have begun. So, if the so-called "west" promise, again, to not advance towards "russia" borders, then "vladimir putin" will come to the so-called 'bargaining table'.

But, why did "the west" break 'their promise', in the beginning, which, ultimately, is what started and began 'this war'.

So, what will it take for "the west" to come to the bargaining table, once again, to stop the war in "ukraine"?

Also, you speak as though people in 'the world' care if 'donald trump" is put off by, or is pleased by, things.

[Pistolero]

Contrary to US propaganda Russia has been de-nazifying and de-militirizing Ukraine for the entire war.

US no longer has any power to impose its will, using sanctions and military threats.
US lost the war, using Ukraine as its proxy.
They tried to bring down Putin and return Russia to a state they could send the "Oligarchs" back in to pillage Russia's natural resources.
Ukrainians were used by the same forces that control the US.
What ethnicity is Zelenskyy and who put him into power? He isn't an ethnic Slav. This is not coincidental.
Who toppled Ukraine's elected leader because he was pro-Russia?

Using brother nations to erode their combined power is classic US policy.
It failed to produce the expected results. NATO could not stop Russia.

Trumps bolster is now humbled by the realization that US dominance has lost its clout.
Now they want to muster the EU to take over the war against Russia, so that the US can focus on the real threat to its hegemony: China.
Notice how fast they forgot the Woke shit.....because you cannot defend an empire with transsexuals decreasing your cohesion and human resources.

US will become increasingly colonial, trying to consolidate what is left of its dominion.
We are, already, in a multipolar world order.
American Globalism failed.

[MagsJ]

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If Putin starts a WW3, I’m gonna go over there myself and have words with him.

..but let’s hope he doesn’t/doesn't want that.

[Pistolero]

The only one who will start WWIII is the one who feels insecure.....the US.
Who is most likely to pull out a gun in a fist fight?

Israel....with its superstitious prophesies, that speak of world domination, following a final reckoning between good and evil....Armageddon, is more likely to use nukes.
Is not the US infected by this superstition?
Is it not messianic, i.e., globalizing, and is not its ideology superstitious, i.e., absolutist?
Which nation has ever used nukes, even though it didn't have to?
That's the nation you must fear will, most probably, use them again.

Why would an ascending power, winning the war, destroy the world?

[mickthinks]

Putin outplayed Trump.

You think Trump’s pose as Putin’s opponent was sincere? Trump’s gambit was to text “Stop!”. Putin’s was to ignore Trump’s text. Good luck trying to pass that off as 4D chess …

[mickthinks]

lol Is there no limit to Pistolero‘s bullsh*t?

[Pistolero]

Ukraine War was created by US to weaken Russia, before it takes on China.
Empire is in decline and it sees its end coming...so it is struggling to maintain its hegemonic status.
They instigated the war, by suppressing the Russian language, massacring hundreds of Russian Ukrainian citizens, and toppling Ukraine's elected, pro-Russian, government. On of their many "color revolutions" spreading "democracy" only in places that resist the US, pillaging their natural resources.

They believed Russia would be unable to sustain a war against NATO, because Ukraine is a NATO proxy....and they were wrong.
This war was between Russia and NATO. NATO logistics, weapons, mercenaries, support, even military personnel...
In the process they created a much more formidable Russia.

All the bullshyte the US media was telling you dumbasses, all proved to be lies.
Russia was running out of ammo. Russia was running out of missiles.
Russia was losing men in massive wave attacks.
The war was at a stalemate....and on and on...
You didn't even comprehend the Russia strategy...you believed Russia wanted to conquer the entire Ukraine, because US mass media told you so.
It then told you Russia was suffering millions of casualties, instead of Ukraine...and you believed it.

And on and on...and all you brainwashed morons believed it all.
The Empire of Lies convinced you with its lies....taking advantage of your desire to believe.

Now Trump told ya he could end the war in a week....or that the world would 'kiss his ass' if he imposed tariffs....or that China would run to make an agreement.....and you fuckers believed it.

America and its Homo Americanus minions...the most propagandized people in the history of mankind.