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Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:35 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:29 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:18 pm
Absurd ideas.

What kind of mentality needs to feel/believe that it has dominion over anything? Including dinosaurs?

Christian mentality, which is considerably older and more experienced than your brief sojourn.

Being proud of living by archaic ideas isn't very wise. It's fearful and foolish and gullible.

'Brief sojourn' is an illusion.

No, a brief sojourn is relative to the age of Christianity.

Don't make me call bullshit on you.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm Do you ever get tired of saying obviously stupid things?

Bullshit.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm Do you ever get tired of saying obviously stupid things?

Bullshit.

Is there some part of you that ever says, 'That's enough nonsense.'

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:44 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm Do you ever get tired of saying obviously stupid things?

Bullshit.

Is there some part of you that ever says, 'That's enough nonsense.'

Bullshit.

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Question to AI:
What does it mean to have dominion over animals?

AI answer
Meaning and Responsibility
Dominion is not a license for exploitation or cruelty. Instead, it carries the responsibility of stewardship, requiring humans to exercise authority with wisdom, compassion, and care. To truly master the animal kingdom, humans must understand the creatures they oversee, just as a musician must understand an instrument to master it . This stewardship includes:

- Recognizing the intrinsic value of all creatures as God’s creation
- Using resources judiciously without wanton destruction
- Preserving biodiversity and ensuring the welfare of animals under human care

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:35 pm 'Brief sojourn' is an illusion.

No, a brief sojourn is relative to the age of Christianity.

So, all of existence is hinged on Christianity's little slice of time and beliefs on this planet and in this Universe?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:49 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:35 pm 'Brief sojourn' is an illusion.

No, a brief sojourn is relative to the age of Christianity.

So, all of existence is hinged on Christianity's little slice of time and beliefs on this planet and in this Universe?

The universe isn't calling Christianity bullshit.

You are, and you know it.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:49 pm This stewardship includes:
- Recognizing the intrinsic value of all creatures as God’s creation
- Using resources judiciously without wanton destruction
- Preserving biodiversity and ensuring the welfare of animals under human care

This does not require mastering and ruling, which is man's bullshit to give himself authority.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:50 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:49 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:41 pm
No, a brief sojourn is relative to the age of Christianity.

So, all of existence is hinged on Christianity's little slice of time and beliefs on this planet and in this Universe?

The universe isn't calling Christianity bullshit.

You are, and you know it.

Ah c'mon, Walker... you've demonstrated you can think better than this. Why do you sink into this nonsense? What are you afraid of?

Previously, in an apparently enlightened moment, you said this...

Walker to Gary wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:37 am Spirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.

I don't know if you were trying to apply this to anything in particular, but think of the broader implications of such a concept...

Spirituality permeates ALL... regardless of anything.

Separations are delusional... ALL is already one.

Therefore, Christianity is not the foundation of all... it's simply ONE optional story on this Earth Stage for comfort and meaning.

Spirituality is so much bigger than that! Yes?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:12 pm
I don't know if you were trying to apply this to anything in particular, but think of the broader implications of such a concept...
Spirituality permeates ALL... regardless of anything.
ALL separations are delusional... ALL is already one.

Therefore, Christianity is not the foundation of all... as it's simply ONE optional story on this Earth Stage for comfort and meaning.

Spirituality is so much bigger than that. Yes?

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I would agree, spirituality broader than any religion.

But many/most Christians would not agree. Would consider other religions false delusions and spirituality outside Christianity nonsense.

But we need to keep in mind that a spiritualism that considers everything part of the ONE. nothing separate from the ONE. is not necessarily considering the ONE to be GOD (in the sense of mind, will, persona, etc.). For example, consider the question, is Spinoza "atheist". Or is the distinction theist vs atheist meaningless when we are talking about pantheism?

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:39 pm I would agree, spirituality broader than any religion.

But many/most Christians would not agree. Would consider other religions false delusions and spirituality outside Christianity nonsense.

Yes, and I wonder, what is it that makes religions/theists able and willing to ignore the obvious vastness of spirituality in order to claim their version of beliefs as the one-and-only truth for all? The absurdity of that is staggering.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:39 pmBut we need to keep in mind that a spiritualism that considers everything part of the ONE. nothing separate from the ONE. is not necessarily considering the ONE to be GOD (in the sense of mind, will, persona, etc.).

Yes. The concept of a 'god' is really fanciful. It implies separation and hierarchy which are human concepts that serve the human ego.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 3:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 2:15 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 9:51 am
For scientists who believe in God, God is not a theory.
Scientists who believe in God are spiritual.

Well, what do you think, Walker? Did God produce this shithole?

Your projection indicates shit for brains.

Since you introduced the subject of spirituality in this thread, I think that you should rationally explain how you separate spirituality from the rest of life, as you said you do.

Religious scientists might give you a clue ... glad to help.

Because you separate spirituality from life, do you think that folks who believe in God are only spiritual on Sundays?

I don't recall you ever telling me what "spirituality" is. Is it the study of or knowledge of "spirits" and the "supernatural"?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:42 am I don't recall you ever telling me what "spirituality" is. Is it the study of or knowledge of "spirits" and the "supernatural"?

The ubiquitous spirit is present even when wading through a reflecting pool of vile filth.

Notice all those folks walking around out there? The spirit in you, is in each of them.

And, most of them bear occlusions just as you do, afflictions that hide the spirit from oneself.
I say most, because you might be looking at a Buddha, and not even know it.

Each is a portal to mind through which the universe is gazing back at you.

A shoe-fit question for anyone:

Did you ever say how you separate spirituality from the rest of life?

I don't recall.

Did you ask a bunch of questions to distract from the question you are supposed to answer?

And, are you going to just keep asking questions, rather than take the next step?

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:39 pm

Religion clears occlusions that block access to spirit by providing a map to keep folks from falling off a cliff, making a wrong turn, drowning in the swamp of despair.