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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:55 pm

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:40 pm .
Mark Zuckerberg declaring giving people their ‘freedom of speech’ back, on his platforms, X/Twitter-style.. including topics like immigration and gender which are just out of touch with mainstream discourse, and that they will be working closely with the Trump administration after having gotten things so wrong for so many years.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEhf2uTJ ... ludjBqYmgx

They were wrong, he said, to censor people because of the push from governments and legacy media to censor more and more.


So that guy on here, going around telling others what not to say, can stop doing so now that he’s gotten the memo.

OK, I can see what you don't like about fact checkers.

I’m an objectivist.. this isn’t about me and my ‘wants’.

I bet the Euro-lib globo-guy I met will be [s]ecstatic[/s] distraught at the news..

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:21 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:55 pm

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:40 pm .
Mark Zuckerberg declaring giving people their ‘freedom of speech’ back, on his platforms, X/Twitter-style.. including topics like immigration and gender which are just out of touch with mainstream discourse, and that they will be working closely with the Trump administration after having gotten things so wrong for so many years.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEhf2uTJ ... ludjBqYmgx

They were wrong, he said, to censor people because of the push from governments and legacy media to censor more and more.


So that guy on here, going around telling others what not to say, can stop doing so now that he’s gotten the memo.

OK, I can see what you don't like about fact checkers.

I’m an objectivist.. this isn’t about me and my ‘wants’.

Wait, the Ayn Rand objectivism thing? I guess that would explain why your fiction is so poorly written.

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:21 pm I bet the Euro-lib globo-guy I met will be [s]ecstatic[/s] distraught at the news..

Yeah the guy in the story who you knew was bad because he had two prostitutes with him. LOL.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:03 pm Nazi-hunter Flash wrote:The other populist alt-right types, I never call nazis. I've never aimed that at Walker, Henry, Immanuel Can or Imp. To varying degrees they are conspiracy nuts but not nazi ones to my knowledge, so I don't call them that. You can ask any of them if that's a lie, it is not. You get called a nazi because you have distinct actual nazi tendencies. Those other guy all know it too, it's why you can never really get them onside.

The context here was that you accused me of calling any and sundry nazis

The point I’d make here does not really have to do with you — all that we discuss is transcendental to ourselves. The point is that the accusation “Nazi!” Is used by people of what I gather is your ilk. There is an entire psychology about the use of this word that can be examined fruitfully.

It is thoroughly, completely and totally incorrect — calumnious — to use that term for what I think and anything that I have ever written. But getting you to see how you use labels in your argument is not of great concern to me. What is of concern is how people frame those who work with different ideas by resorting to such morally charged and highly condemnatory terms.

The larger issue is just what is really occurring in Europe and many places as people grow tired of the Leftist-Progressive cant, and the degree of power they have, and I would say abuse. So a conversation about what is happening, why it is happening, and what we believe to be good or bad or good and evil about any of this, is open for conversation. But *open conversation* is relatively speaking very difficult to have — when for example, and like you, the accusation *You are a Nazi!” Is used irresponsibly.

Now, I request that you present here something I have written that you believe belies an attraction to Nazism. Come now, hop to it! But while you are searching may I offer you Strudel? Attendez la crème!

What I recently said — possibly the most controversial — is that I do believe that the general popular attitude toward Islam and Islamists must move toward intolerance. It is my personal view that Islam is non-compatible with what I feel are the core European values. That is, if speaking generally. But this is simply my opinion. And as such it is not necessarily Naziesque.

Neither am I *racist* is the actual sense of the word. But that doesn’t mean that I have not made some effort to investigate the basis of racist theories, or that of *race differences*. My actual view — a social philosophy really — is that the doctrine of *multiculturalism* itself is actually morally defective. Simply put, it destroys those *differences* and that *diversity* that we are told to value. It is really quite simple when you think it through. Multiculturalism is a destructive sociology to that which is culturally distinct.

I can say honestly that I sort of despise Richard Spencer, though I do appreciate his early interviews of Jonathan Bowden (a complex and strange figure but also brilliant in his way). But Spencer once said *Race is real, race matters*. I think it does. But it does not have to matter in some horrifying, violent way. And so I use the example of Japan (convenient) or Nigeria: these two nations, composed of communities, have the right to keep themselves distinct on all levels. They have the right to *define themselves* and hold to their valuations.

The other thing is that you insinuate — or do you say it directly? — is that I am an anti-Semite. All that I ever said to you was regarding the Holocaust. I said “I accept the general picture of the destruction of the European Jews. I have a few areas where I have quibbles about historical reportage”. And that, my dear Flash, you overheated lopsided loon! you took out of that context and ran with it.

Because you have bad-faith intentions and your perception is skewed.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:29 am <insert various bleatings here>

Your memory is as faulty as your observational skills. In our first interaction I was calling out White Replacement Theory as conspiracy theory (which it is) with anti-semitic overtones (which is why those nice chaps with the tiki torches were chanting "the Jews will not replace us"). I never set out to entrap you as a nazi, I didn't realise at that time you were Bjorn whatsisname though - that would have saved a bit of time in that regard.

All I was taking you on for that day was your whiny bullshit complaint that you don't like the phrase "conspiracy theory". So I presented three outlandish madman conspiracy theories to demonstrate that you would be able to apply the concept if it were about something you didn't have a commitment to. Those were:

• Aliens build the Pyramids. Which you agreed was nuts could be treated as such, although you were too prudfish to use the C-T words still.

• Flat Earth Theory. Which you also agreed was nuts could be treated as such, although you were too prudfish to use the C-T words still.

• Holocaust was invented (under jewish orders) to make the Nazis look bad and none of it really happened. To which you attested that it happened, but didn't care to say the rest was wrong. I was taken quite by surprise there, I never suspected you would be the guy to blame the holocaust on a Jewish conspiracy, that's just stupid.

Besides that you constantly spam nazi texts, always attended with your totally unconvincing claims to be just a completely dispassionate outsider. You do endorse ethno-states and you will never say what level of force you are willing to use to make them happen.

I have put plenty of time into finding out what your actual positions are and you have tried any number of ways to avoid saying what they are. I have elected to draw a negative inference from your dissemblings and the matter is now closed. You are a nazi sympathiser, a fellow-traveller, or just an actual nazi.

The effort it would require to split those hairs and find out exactly which is not worth expending. You have spent years not divulging, tactically evading, all while spamming links to your nazi texts. So I am satisfied that you are some sort of nazi and the precise sort is a problem for you to care about, not me.

Righto. Got it. You have no case at all.

Anyone else going to point out flashpants' blatant racisim? Didn't think so. He's good to go.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:29 pm

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:21 pm I’m an objectivist.. this isn’t about me and my ‘wants’.

Wait, the Ayn Rand objectivism thing? I guess that would explain why your fiction is so poorly written.

My writings are lit and I’ve never read Ayn Rand, so..

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:29 pm

MagsJ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:21 pm I bet the Euro-lib globo-guy I met will be [s]ecstatic[/s] distraught at the news..

Yeah the guy in the story who you knew was bad because he had two prostitutes with him. LOL.

There were about 5 ladies, not 2.. you two would have really gotten on, you’ve both got a lot in common.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:01 am Aliens build the Pyramids. Which you agreed was nuts could be treated as such, although you were too prudfish to use the C-T words still.

I just didn’t want to get into it right then. Fact is the aliens caused the pyramids to be built but most don’t know (what I know) about how to get things done in our Cosmos. I could bring in some of BigMike’s theories — I mean “established facts” — here but it would get too technical.

Ay Flash — you are a delight!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:29 am What I recently said — possibly the most controversial — is that I do believe that the general popular attitude toward Islam and Islamists must move toward intolerance.

The size of the Muslim population in the EU, 450 million large, is currently around 30 million large. That is more than enough men of military age to defend themselves. The number is certainly larger than the German army during WWII.

In fact, the general popular attitude does not matter.

What matters, is the number of men willing to risk their lives and die for what they believe in. That is where the feminist, woke, LGTBQ approach clearly fails. That ideology is notoriously deficient when it comes to deploying troops on the battlefield.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:29 am It is my personal view that Islam is non-compatible with what I feel are the core European values.

Islam is obviously not compatible with the feminist, woke, LGTBQ European ideology, but that is exactly a good thing. That is what makes it attractive. That is what makes it superior.

That is also the reason why it will inevitably emerge victorious in a civil war.

These "core European values" are so clearly inferior in that respect that I am sure that nobody even doubts it. If you cannot defend yourself because of your own imbecile beliefs, how exactly do you intend to become "intolerant" towards adversaries who very visibly have the ability to wipe the floor with you?

Look, you will end up fighting and you will end up losing. How can anybody even doubt that?

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Should a civil war be even allowed to happen?

We aren’t the Wild West, I say no.

MagsJ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:14 am .
Should a civil war be even allowed to happen?

We aren’t the Wild West, I say no.

To "allow"?

There is a part of the native European population that wants to attack the Muslims. Why not just let them? And then see where they end up? Only a complete retard does not see who exactly is going to beat up whom. For me, that is absolutely fine. Let everybody do whatever they want to do. Who the hell even cares? I will just watch the shit show from a distance. Where is the popcorn?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:29 am Now, I request that you present here something I have written that you believe belies an attraction to Nazism.

The Nazis understood very well that the so-called "core European values" where highly inferior:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/book-revie ... 1421441724

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

So, Christianity was already a very poor foundation for a society that seeks to ultimately defend itself. However, instead of doing something about it, the Europeans only made the problem worse by adopting the feminist, woke, LGBTQ ideology. Now the whole thing has become an even bigger cesspool!

They are even deluded to believe that they can become "intolerant" towards Muslims. How delusional can anybody even be? They know very well that they will lose every single fist fight. Hitler knew it. The Nazis knew it. How can anybody not see the complete and utter inferiority of these so-called "core European values"? Are these people completely blind, or what?

I spit, pee, and shit on these "core European values"!

Seriously, repeat after me. Any belief that prevents you from defending yourself, is obviously an imbecile belief!

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:24 am

MagsJ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:14 am .
Should a civil war be even allowed to happen?

We aren’t the Wild West, I say no.

To "allow"?

There is a part of the native European population that wants to attack the Muslims. Why not just let them? And then see where they end up? Only a complete retard does not see who exactly is going to beat up whom.

'I' MUST BE a "complete retard" SO 'who' is going to beat up who, EXACTLY?

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:24 am For me, that is absolutely fine. Let everybody do whatever they want to do. Who the hell even cares? I will just watch the shit show from a distance. Where is the popcorn?

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:59 am So, Christianity was already a very poor foundation for a society that seeks to ultimately defend itself.

This part interested me. Having read somewhat widely numerous Dissident Right authors your comment reminded me of one: Catholic and Identitarian: From Protest to Reconquest.

Is Christianity the natural enemy of identitarianism? Has it contributed to the liberalization of our societies and to the mass immigration which is so quickly altering our social make-up and changing the face of our nations? What can Christianity, past or present, offer us at this unprecedented historical moment of political and social change?

Catholic and Identitarian seeks to answer these questions from a traditionalist Catholic perspective. Arguing that Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, far from being an enemy to identitarianism, actually forms the necessary underpinning for true European identitarianism, this book demonstrates that the teachings and traditions of the Church have always respected ethnic and national borders and protected the integrity of authentic human roots. At once a vindication of the Church against the misinterpretations and misrepresentations of left and right alike, and a stirring call to defend our European heritage from the forces that would destroy it, Catholic and Identitarian reminds us of the basic truth that “to fight is to love.”

Also The Sword of Christ:

In The Sword of Christ, author Giles Corey examines the transformation of historical Christianity into the deracinated, egalitarian form we see preached today and argues that Christianity must be recaptured and returned to its roots as the foundation of the West. This course correction cannot happen while Christians remain unaware that the organized denominations have largely abandoned orthodox Biblical Christianity in favor of heresies like Christian Zionism and antinationalism, nor can it occur while pagan or secular Westerners remain unaware that the "Christianity" they see preaching the doctrine of dispossession today is a modern aberration that has nothing whatsoever in common with Biblical Christianity, having been usurped by anti-Christian forces.

The topics discussed include, among others, an exposition of the history and heretical theology of Christian Zionism, a discussion of Christian ethnonationalism, and an investigation into theories of Christian violence, such as the Crusades. Corey boldly proclaims the ethnonationalist struggle of our day as not only righteous but necessary to fight for the cause of Christ, just as generations of Christians have fought for justice in their own times.

Banned by Amazon after its initial release in 2020, Antelope Hill is proud to bring back Giles Corey's The Sword of Christ, with a foreword by evolutionary psychologist Kevin MacDonald. This new third edition adds a second foreword by the author, detailing his observations on how the subjects he critiques in the book have developed in the years since it was written.