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henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:20 pm Me: quite happy to be offa most folks radar.

The only way to escape the radar is to stop showing up to your own show.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am LOL
LOL
LOL

It appears that it does not matter how many times I keep informing 'this one' that I did not change from what I was doing for the reason that it believes is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct, 'this one' will just keep seeing, and believing, what it is here.

But, this the very nature of the 'belief-system', itself. And, in fact, what 'this one' has been continually showing and actually doing here is, actually, proving another one of 'my claims' irrefutably, True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

Did you ever thank Atla for accurately pointing out that there was a problem with your communication and working hard to show you why? A decision you made coincidentally and utterly unaffected by his efforts, but which confirmed his sense there was a problem.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:06 pm What did you think?

You thought the topic you thought was actually the ostensible cloak for communion, i.e., the universe engaging with itself.

"Faith is namely this paradox that the single individual is higher than the universal."
- Søren Kierkegaard

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am

Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?
Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am

Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?
Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all. Judging that is like chastising a baby for not being born differently, it’s on behalf of a past Age that should have been born better.

Harbal might be polite, but he also has the capacity to be outraged. He told Age to ( Fuck Off )
…so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all.

It would be lovely if he could admit this - he doesn't need to bring in the autism aspect - rather than judging people who do not do as he wishes. Who do not meet his preferences, which he does not notice are preferences. There are autistic people who in this forum and others manage to avoid this.

Harbal might be polite, but he also has the capacity to be outraged. He told Age to ( Fuck Off )

He may well have done that eventually but he was condescended to long before that. Good for Harbal for finally having had enough. He's one of the most patient people I've seen in these forums.

…so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

Well, Age, has supposedely transcended all that.

I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

I'm sick of the would-be gurus coming in here on their power trips. And by here I mean incarnation/manifestation. Coming in with their partial knowledge and claiming to know or have access to all truth, when it is clear they do not have this access. I am tired of people directly or indirectly claiming not to be human. Not in your sense of there not being humans but rather a oneness. In the sense of being a special case that has transcended the human, refers to others as human beings, and cannot admit that they judge, are human, also, have, as you say a not so nice mean side and judge while saying they do not. I also find the degree of denial involved fascinating, horrifying and I also think it is important. That it is good for me, and perhaps others, to really understand what is going on with these entities and their power trips, even if these entities don't realize they are on power trips.

You think Age is giving me slack. Do you have any idea how many times I tried to enter his private culture of communication preferences only to be insulted or have what I wrote dismissed? I'm not asking you for slack, but I think it's interesting where you think the slack is needed.

Roydop for all his pettiness and using others patterns, was quite humanly sloppy about all this.
Age is a pro by comparison.

Talk about human self-idolization.

I don't think he is aware of what he is doing. And I presume that most of the time he is answering honestly from his perspective. But at the same time he positions himself in ways that are extremely judgmental wihtout acknowledging it. He gets angry and sometimes nasty, but denies it. I would think he is opting not to look at vague feelings in himself that might let him know what he is denying. Perhaps not. It's part of what brings me badk to him.

And it is fascinating to me the amount of denial there. He's a big boy and he can break off contact with me at any point. If it is unpleasant for him or wrong for him, he knows what he is free to do at any point, which is to simply ignore me. I've ignored him when the unpleasant aspects bothered me enough. He opted to 'leave' once and it lasted about an hour, but he sure knows the option is there.

I also was born the way I was born. My habits are also coming out of what I experienced.

I can be blunt with Age. I've never bought the idea that implicit cut downs, and passive aggressive attacks are somehow better. I'd rather have someone own up to their emotions rather than pretend they are not having them.

And these issues are not restricted to philosophy forums or gurus in formal settings. The games that Age is playing are played all the time, probably most of us have played some of them here and there. Some are centered in them.

There's been a long hold on things by these 'spiritual' entities. A kind of lockdown.

Anyway, if he wants out of the discussion with me, he knows what to do. He has the power and the will. I don't pity him in the least. I could, very likely, feel empathy for him, if he showed other sides of himself.

“I'm sick of the would-be gurus coming in here on their power trips.”

I’m sick of people taking words seriously, I mean there just fucking words, for ducks sake.

What you are in essence is as pure and innocent as a baby, you are thought free awareness.

Roy Dopson was spot on with that truth.

“I could, very likely, feel empathy for him,”

Feel empathy for Age right now, go on. Age cannot be any different, and that expecting Age to be any different when Age can’t is disrespectful.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:13 am “I could, very likely, feel empathy for him,”

Feel empathy for Age right now, go on. Age cannot be any different, and that expecting Age to be any different when Age can’t is disrespectful.

That's not what I meant. I didn't mean he needed to change to be worthy of empathy. I am sure if I was in the same space with him I would feel empathy, sometimes, because then I'd hear his voice, see his face and gestures and posture. Here I have really quite machine like words and a disidentification with the human. Even when you and I have been at odds the most (I know, I know, you don't think there is a you and me) I always felt empathy. Whether humans exist or not or individuals exist or not, what came through under the name DAM or Fairy was always very human. It comes through animals and plants also, what I am calling human. I am sure, out there, Ken, is human, but all I get is Age. An abstract empathy fine, that I can cognate, but that direct feeling, no. Perhaps if he didn't hate that side of himself so much, I could catch a whiff.

“He may well have done that eventually but he was condescended to long before that. Good for Harbal for finally having had enough. He's one of the most patient people I've seen in these forums.”

Aggrandising people is a subtle form of ego worshiping. When most people in life are extremely bog standard, ordinary, and very underwhelming. No one is more something extraordinary and special than any one else, all of what we think and believe about others is a mentally constructed model anyway. And Not anything like what is actually true in reality.



If the word patience is what you admire, then give Age some credit too. Notice the patience of Age, it’s exemplary.

And FYI

When people have genuinely had enough of other people, they simply leave.
People who don’t leave are just being very tolerant of other’s idiosyncratic nature.

“That's not what I meant. I didn't mean he needed to change to be worthy of empathy. I am sure if I was in the same space with him.”


But you already are in the same space with him, you are both sharing the same headspace, he’s in your mind, you are his creator. So show him empathy right now. Don’t imagine he’s in some separate space to you. There’s only one space, not two.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:34 am But you already are in the same space with him, you are both sharing the same headspace, he’s in your mind, you are his creator. So show him empathy right now. Don’t imagine he’s in some separate space to you. There’s only one space, not two.

No, I'm not in the same space with him. His words are in my mind, not even as concrete as finding some stranger's hair in my shower drain. I'm sorry, I am embodied. Physical presence, the sound of a voice, they way someone stands, and, well, if I'm close to them and like them, their doft, that all connects me, to people. I am social mammaling my way here through reality, my emotions are connect to the physical. People can manage to hide from me online. They can.

I was born like this. Cut me some slack.

but others, with their ways of expressing themselves in words, I can almost see them, they are less censored. The human pours through. Then empathy comes. I sense the social mammal. You want to kill off the social mammal in yoursefl, it's hard for me to feel through some letters on the screan. But unlike many, I know the difference between cognitive empathy and direct emotional empathy. I could pretend that the former was the latter and say I feel empthy right now for Age's persona and the Ken typing those words. That'd make me sound like a nicer guy, maybe, but it'd be pretending.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:40 am No, I'm not in the same space with him. His words are in my mind, not even as concrete as finding some stranger's hair in my shower drain. I'm sorry, I am embodied. Physical presence, the sound of a voice, they way someone stands, and, well, if I'm close to them and like them, their doft, that all connects me, to people. I am social mammaling my way here through reality, my emotions are connect to the physical. People can manage to hide from me online. They can.

I was born like this. Cut me some slack.

So his words are in your mind. Lol

And you are judging these words as if they are actually real. Lol

Imagine that, boxing with your own mental shadows. When all you have to do is welcome them in, and not resist this imaginary character from taking root in your headspace, or delete the character once and for all. . This is your choice, and your problem, no one else’s.

Yes, we’re all born the way we were born. At least that’s a common fact we can all agree on.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:54 am So his words are in your mind. Lol

And you are judging these words as if they are actually real. Lol

No more than you mine.

Imagine that, boxing with your own mental shadows. When all you have to do is welcome them in, and not resist this imaginary character from taking root in your headspace, or delete the character once and for all.

Woh, woh. Taking root? Nah. But when I read him those words are in my mind.

. This is you choice, and your problem, no one else’s.

Of course. I choose to engage with Age.

just as this

I’m sick of people taking words seriously, I mean there just fucking words, for ducks sake.

and this:

I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

are your choices and your problems.

Or in both cases, it is more complicated.

Why not take my reactions in the spirit you mean yours when you type them?

If the word patience is what you admire, then give Age some credit too. Notice the patience of Age, it’s exemplary.

I disagree. But it'd be boring to go into.

Anyway, I'll move to another field and smell those flowers for a while.