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And yet you seem to think of yourself as a "seer and a wizard" by fear-mongering a "complete economic collapse".vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:23 pm 'Experts'How sweet that you have so much faith in seers and wizards. You don't have to be a 'seer' to know what complete economic collapse will mean--even (or especially) for old people.
How can it 'not' happen when countries are closing their borders and the supermarkets are emptying out already? People are losing their jobs. Businesses are closing. It's hardly being a 'seer' because it's happening already.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:37 pmAnd yet you seem to think of yourself as a "seer and a wizard" by fear-mongering a "complete economic collapse".vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:23 pm 'Experts'
Wrong.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:53 pmThere is no such word and there is a good reason for that. It's a contradiction. An absurdity. You want a govt. but a govt. that only has power over the things that 'you' want it to. When you have a govt, ANY govt, you are giving them power over you. They make the laws. You could have referendums but you don't like that either, because people might vote for things 'you' don't like. This is why your utopia always comes across as bog standard anarchy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:34 pmI crave minarchy, not anarchy; what carona may be used for is not workin' toward minimal governance but to encourage anarchy which is the pretext to enact tyranny.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:15 pm
But isn't chaos and 'jungle law' what you have always hankered after? Ironically 'no control' inevitably becomes 'total control'.
You have a good handle on my thinkin'...commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:31 pmBefore attempting to characterize Henry according to his wants and likes, you should re-evaluate other posts that you’ve read about what Henry feels is good government. I am sure that either you or I have misread his thoughts on government. And I am sure it is you. Henry will have to settle this.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:53 pmThere is no such word and there is a good reason for that. It's a contradiction. An absurdity. You want a govt. but a govt. that only has power over the things that 'you' want it to. When you have a govt, ANY govt, you are giving them power over you. They make the laws. You could have referendums but you don't like that either, because people might vote for things 'you' don't like. This is why your utopia always comes across as bog standard anarchy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:34 pm
I crave minarchy, not anarchy; what carona may be used for is not workin' toward minimal governance but to encourage anarchy which is the pretext to enact tyranny.
However, I would say that Henry favors a government with limited services such as fire, police and military. As I read what he writes, I’d say that Henry favors having only a law that in essence prohibits interfering in any way with another person’s life or possessions.
I am not surprised that Henry has coined the word ‘minarchy’ to stand for minimal rule or something similar.
Ok. I googled it and nothing came up. I thought it was a word you had made up.henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:02 amWrong.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:53 pmThere is no such word and there is a good reason for that. It's a contradiction. An absurdity. You want a govt. but a govt. that only has power over the things that 'you' want it to. When you have a govt, ANY govt, you are giving them power over you. They make the laws. You could have referendums but you don't like that either, because people might vote for things 'you' don't like. This is why your utopia always comes across as bog standard anarchy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:34 pm
I crave minarchy, not anarchy; what carona may be used for is not workin' toward minimal governance but to encourage anarchy which is the pretext to enact tyranny.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state
As for the nature of gov: that depends entirely on those organizin' it, and their reasons for havin' one.
America, at the start, coulda had a monarchy. Instead, we chose a light confederation. Had we retained such a thing we'd have been damned close to the night watchman proxy I crave. For a variety of reasons confederation was traded in for constitutional republic, a lateral move invitin' an unhealthy degree of regulation and stratification. Even so, it's still a dramatic improvement over the variety of theocracies and tyrannies that have been the norm since shortly after proto-man fell out of the trees.
I'm bettin' the appetite and tolerance for large, directing, governance will continue to dwindle, even with sticks in the mud like youself sayin' 'no, it'll never work'.
No he isn't.
You don't know that.
No I don't, but if i was a gambling man I'd put my house on him being wrong.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:46 amYou don't know that.
Religious maniacs like to think about the end being nigh. It's one of their favourite wet dreams. Don'taskme is positively relishing it.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 amNo I don't, but if i was a gambling man I'd put my house on him being wrong.
I don't know...but I know your hope in Henry is wrong.
So wot the fuk has that got to do wiv me?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:49 amReligious maniacs like to think about the end being nigh. It's one of their favourite wet dreams. Don'taskme is positively relishing it.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 amNo I don't, but if i was a gambling man I'd put my house on him being wrong.
I don't know...but I know your hope in Henry is wrong.
He's never right.
Well that may be the case, but you are still on par with Henry in my book.Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 amHe's never right.
You are on your own personal cloud.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:39 pmWell that may be the case, but you are still on par with Henry in my book.
Sculptor old chap. I have no idea wot U R talking about - please do clarify so that I may own U.
We'll see.