Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:13 pm
I gave my reasons. I do not have the time to waste on fruitless and purposeless chatter.
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Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm
We all have a free will. We just do not have freedom.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:41 pmYeah, I'm with you there.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:19 pm As to the desire for being free, we are tribal by nature and the word freedom does not apply to us as we have given it up a long time agao, if we ever had it, for the security of the tribe.
Good lord, you're one of those.
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Mannie,is what grinds my gears.
If "the word freedom does not apply to us," then we cannot choose what we do. Men kill stuff. So do women. We can't choose to do anything else, so GIA isn't really in any position to complain about killing.
Fortunately for all of us who have a will, it's not how things are. Even the collectivists do HAVE the will...they've just used it to rationalize abdicating their personal responsibilities. Even then, their responsibility doesn't go away.
We collectively gave it up for security as we did not trust the other guy with freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2LMTRoWlA
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Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:50 pm
Where do you live? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm We all have a free will. We just do not have freedom.
We collectively gave it up for security as we did not trust the other guy with freedom.
When did "we" do this "collective giving up"?
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:04 pm
Whose law do you live by? Yours or the law of the land?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:50 pmWhere do you live? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm We all have a free will. We just do not have freedom.
We collectively gave it up for security as we did not trust the other guy with freedom.
When did "we" do this "collective giving up"?
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DL
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:25 pm
To your first, I cannot—and certainly not on the basis of taking pleasure in having a war.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:38 pmHow do you explain our last 5,000 of almost constant war history?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:41 pm The OP makes the baseless claim that men like to kill other men, and asks why this fallacious claim is true.
The OP could just as well have asked why vegans like to eat juicy cheeseburgers.
Men do in fact kill men. That doesn’t mean men like to.
If killing and war are not our epitome of drama, which we love, what is?
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To your second, the Super Bowl.
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:34 pm
mehGreatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:13 pmI gave my reasons. I do not have the time to waste on fruitless and purposeless chatter.
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DL
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:35 pm
speak for yourselfGreatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pmWe all have a free will. We just do not have freedom.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:41 pmYeah, I'm with you there.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:19 pm As to the desire for being free, we are tribal by nature and the word freedom does not apply to us as we have given it up a long time agao, if we ever had it, for the security of the tribe.
Good lord, you're one of those.
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Mannie,
If "the word freedom does not apply to us," then we cannot choose what we do. Men kill stuff. So do women. We can't choose to do anything else, so GIA isn't really in any position to complain about killing.
Fortunately for all of us who have a will, it's not how things are. Even the collectivists do HAVE the will...they've just used it to rationalize abdicating their personal responsibilities. Even then, their responsibility doesn't go away.
We collectively gave it up for security as we did not trust the other guy with freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2LMTRoWlA
Regards
DL
wear a leash, if you like
not me, buddy
Re: instinct vs preference
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:36 pm
"Heterosexual is not a, "kind," of human being. No one is born an, "anything," other than a being that must choose how to live one's life. Everyone is born with different tastes, proclivities, desires, abilities, etc. but none of them determine what a human being is. Almost everyone has some desires that if indulged would be self-destructive, only some will indulge those desires to their own detriment. Many people have ambitions to achieve things, but only those who choose to follow those ambitions will actually achieve anything.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:06 pm So you being a heterosexual, if that is what you are, is a choice?
It is what one chooses to do with their life that determines what they are. One may choose be anything within the limits of their own ability and physical possibility, including how they will use their biological functions.
The concept of, "sexuality," was invented to cover all variations of sexual dysfunction and to cover up the fact that whatever an individual does, they do because the choose to do it, not because something in their nature makes them do it. No doubt, something makes them want to do it (else they wouldn't), but just wanting to do something is never a good enough reason, alone, to do it, but every individual must choose for themselves how they want to live their life, and whatever they choose is no one else's business.
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:43 pm
You didn't answer my question. You just asked me a different one.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:04 pmWhose law do you live by? Yours or the law of the land?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:50 pmWhere do you live? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm We all have a free will. We just do not have freedom.
We collectively gave it up for security as we did not trust the other guy with freedom.
When did "we" do this "collective giving up"?
Could you answer it now?
Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:58 pm
Too old for sex are we?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:25 pmTo your first, I cannot—and certainly not on the basis of taking pleasure in having a war.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:38 pmHow do you explain our last 5,000 of almost constant war history?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:41 pm The OP makes the baseless claim that men like to kill other men, and asks why this fallacious claim is true.
The OP could just as well have asked why vegans like to eat juicy cheeseburgers.
Men do in fact kill men. That doesn’t mean men like to.
If killing and war are not our epitome of drama, which we love, what is?
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DL
To your second, the Super Bowl.
If you cannot explain our history, then you cannot discount our love of violence, killing and war.
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DL
Re: instinct vs preference
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:06 pm
No argument on your views, save one.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:36 pm"Heterosexual is not a, "kind," of human being. No one is born an, "anything," other than a being that must choose how to live one's life. Everyone is born with different tastes, proclivities, desires, abilities, etc. but none of them determine what a human being is. Almost everyone has some desires that if indulged would be self-destructive, only some will indulge those desires to their own detriment. Many people have ambitions to achieve things, but only those who choose to follow those ambitions will actually achieve anything.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:06 pm So you being a heterosexual, if that is what you are, is a choice?
It is what one chooses to do with their life that determines what they are. One may choose be anything within the limits of their own ability and physical possibility, including how they will use their biological functions.
The concept of, "sexuality," was invented to cover all variations of sexual dysfunction and to cover up the fact that whatever an individual does, they do because the choose to do it, not because something in their nature makes them do it. No doubt, something makes them want to do it (else they wouldn't), but just wanting to do something is never a good enough reason, alone, to do it, but every individual must choose for themselves how they want to live their life, and whatever they choose is no one else's business.
A heterosexual is not a gay and thus we can say they are different kinds of humans. Even males and females are different kinds of humans.
I am a heterosexual male human, and if I was to be sent to stranded on an island with just one other human that I could choose, I would choose a heterosexual female. That is my kind of companion.
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Re: Why do men like to kill men?
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:09 pm
Because your answer was the answer to your own question.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:43 pmYou didn't answer my question. You just asked me a different one.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:04 pmWhose law do you live by? Yours or the law of the land?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:50 pm
Where do you live? Venezuela? Cuba? Soviet Russia? Maoist China?
When did "we" do this "collective giving up"?
Could you answer it now?
I don't know when you started following the law of the land so only you can answer that question.
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Re: instinct vs preference
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:05 pm
My point was that there are different kinds of humans but every individual may [and must] choose to be the kind they are, "within the limits of their own ability and physical possibility." One cannot choose to be tall if they are genetically short, or male if they are born female (in spite of what is taught today), but one can certainly choose how they will behave. A preference or desire does not cause anyone to behave in any particular way, they must choose whether or not to indulge that desire on the basis of what is really in their own best interest.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:06 pmA heterosexual is not a gay and thus we can say they are different kinds of humans. Even males and females are different kinds of humans.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:36 pm"Heterosexual is not a, "kind," of human being. No one is born an, "anything," other than a being that must choose how to live one's life. Everyone is born with different tastes, proclivities, desires, abilities, etc. but none of them determine what a human being is. Almost everyone has some desires that if indulged would be self-destructive, only some will indulge those desires to their own detriment. Many people have ambitions to achieve things, but only those who choose to follow those ambitions will actually achieve anything.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:06 pm So you being a heterosexual, if that is what you are, is a choice?
It is what one chooses to do with their life that determines what they are. One may choose be anything within the limits of their own ability and physical possibility, including how they will use their biological functions.
The concept of, "sexuality," was invented to cover all variations of sexual dysfunction and to cover up the fact that whatever an individual does, they do because the choose to do it, not because something in their nature makes them do it. No doubt, something makes them want to do it (else they wouldn't), but just wanting to do something is never a good enough reason, alone, to do it, but every individual must choose for themselves how they want to live their life, and whatever they choose is no one else's business.
Re: instinct vs preference
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:30 pm
An intelligent post that ends with a stupid statement.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:05 pm A preference or desire does not cause anyone to behave in any particular way, they must choose whether or not to indulge that desire on the basis of what is really in their own best interest.
Given that sex was at issue, if you prefer to a female to a male for sex, that desire will definitely have you behave in a particular way. You will try to find a female partner every time you feel like a little nooky.
Right?
No one is arguing that you are not making a choice, but your choice is hard wired and you would have to choose to ignore your programming and natural desires if you went to find sex in a gay bar.
" every individual may [and must] choose to be the kind they are,"
Could you be a gay man if you chose to be?
I could not as I am hardwired to be a heterosexual.
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DL
Re: instinct vs preference
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:17 pm
So, if you desire to have sex with a female, and you know that female is syphilitic or has the clap, you'll have sex with her just because you feel like a little nooky? I don't believe you would.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:30 pm Given that sex was at issue, if you prefer to a female to a male for sex, that desire will definitely have you behave in a particular way. You will try to find a female partner every time you feel like a little nooky.
What I said was, you "must choose whether or not to indulge that desire on the basis of what is really in your own best interest. If getting the drip or going blind are really in your best interest," you might choose to let your desire be your guide, but I'm sure you wouldn't.
I do not believe anyone is, "hardwired," for any kind of desire, but even if we were, a desire for something is never a good basis for a choice. Almost every self-destructive thing anyone has ever done was because they had a desire to do something that their own best reason would have convinced them was a mistake, but they let desire make their choice for them, and suffered the consequences.[/quote]