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Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:02 pm
by Sculptor
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:28 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:19 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:38 pm
Ok, so?
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
Try and think
Well, if you don't want to try to explain then don't.
You need to make some effort here.
You say time moves but you cant see it move.
The reason is because you are part of time and are moving with it, like when you are on a train you do not feel the movement, unless you are accelerating or decelerating.
Would you like me to say that again?
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:03 pm
by Sculptor
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:21 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:02 pm
Arrow has a direction.
Not necessarily.
But worst still not relevant, since you can't understand what I am talking about.
Take this away with you. TIME IS NOT A ARROW.
An arrow is an arrow.
You don't understand what I am talking about.
No .
You do not understand what YOU are talking about.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:20 pm
by bahman
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:02 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:28 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:19 pm
Try and think
Well, if you don't want to try to explain then don't.
You need to make some effort here.
You say time moves but you cant see it move.
The reason is because you are part of time and are moving with it, like when you are on a train you do not feel the movement, unless you are accelerating or decelerating.
Would you like me to say that again?
Ok, so my guess was right. So can you get out of this train?
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:20 pm
by bahman
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:03 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:21 pm
Not necessarily.
But worst still not relevant, since you can't understand what I am talking about.
Take this away with you. TIME IS NOT A ARROW.
An arrow is an arrow.
You don't understand what I am talking about.
No .
You do not understand what YOU are talking about.
I understand what I am talking about.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:06 pm
by Sculptor
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:20 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:02 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:28 pm
Well, if you don't want to try to explain then don't.
You need to make some effort here.
You say time moves but you cant see it move.
The reason is because you are part of time and are moving with it, like when you are on a train you do not feel the movement, unless you are accelerating or decelerating.
Would you like me to say that again?
Ok, so my guess was right. So can you get out of this train?
You know its not a real train don't you?
The train can go faster but it cannot go backwards.
Getting off the train means death. Getting to the end of the journey is also death.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:50 pm
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:49 pm
I said you can define direction if you have two times that move away from each other.
How do changes "move away from each other"?
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:08 pm
by bahman
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:06 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:20 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:02 pm
You need to make some effort here.
You say time moves but you cant see it move.
The reason is because you are part of time and are moving with it, like when you are on a train you do not feel the movement, unless you are accelerating or decelerating.
Would you like me to say that again?
Ok, so my guess was right. So can you get out of this train?
You know its not a real train don't you?
The train can go faster but it cannot go backwards.
Getting off the train means death. Getting to the end of the journey is also death.
What does it mean to be out of the train to you if it leads to death?
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:10 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:50 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:49 pm
I said you can define direction if you have two times that move away from each other.
How do changes "move away from each other"?
Time is not changes. It exists as a substance at now.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:21 pm
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:10 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:50 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:49 pm
I said you can define direction if you have two times that move away from each other.
How do changes "move away from each other"?
Time is not changes. It exists as a substance at now.
Yeah, it is. Time is the same thing as change.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:21 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:10 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:50 pm
How do changes "move away from each other"?
Time is not changes. It exists as a substance at now.
Yeah, it is. Time is the same thing as change.
We have three things, time, change (like change in position of a falling apple), and motion.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:22 pm
by Sculptor
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:08 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:06 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:20 pm
Ok, so my guess was right. So can you get out of this train?
You know its not a real train don't you?
The train can go faster but it cannot go backwards.
Getting off the train means death. Getting to the end of the journey is also death.
What does it mean to be out of the train to you if it leads to death?
It's called an analogy. it's not perfect.
Death is when you are out of time. Since time was the train, death is the end of the journey.
What more are you looking for?
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:21 am
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:21 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:10 pm
Time is not changes. It exists as a substance at now.
Yeah, it is. Time is the same thing as change.
We have three things, time, change (like change in position of a falling apple), and motion.
Or we have time which is the same as change, with motion being a subset of change.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:50 am
by UniversalAlien
Consider this:
What Is Time? One Physicist Hunts for the Ultimate Theory
Carroll: Even in empty space, time and space still exist. Physicists have no problem answering the question of “If a tree falls in the woods and no one's there to hear it, does it make a sound?” They say, “Yes! Of course it makes a sound!” Likewise, if time flows without entropy and there's no one there to experience it, is there still time? Yes. There's still time. It's still part of the fundamental laws of nature even in that part of the universe. It's just that events that happen in that empty universe don't have causality, don't have memory, don't have progress and don't have aging or metabolism or anything like that. It's just random fluctuations..........
'
https://www.wired.com/2010/02/what-is-time/
“Time is the longest distance between two places.”
― Tennessee Williams, The Glass Menagerie
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:26 pm
by bahman
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:22 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:08 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:06 pm
You know its not a real train don't you?
The train can go faster but it cannot go backwards.
Getting off the train means death. Getting to the end of the journey is also death.
What does it mean to be out of the train to you if it leads to death?
It's called an analogy. it's not perfect.
Death is when you are out of time. Since time was the train, death is the end of the journey.
What more are you looking for?
To me we wouldn't die when we leave time, I can experience the passage of time.
Re: How time can only exist at now and yet has a direction?
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:29 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:21 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:21 pm
Yeah, it is. Time is the same thing as change.
We have three things, time, change (like change in position of a falling apple), and motion.
Or we have time which is the same as change, with motion being a subset of change.
Time is time. Change such as when a particle moves from a place to another place. Motion such as speed.