Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[Immanuel Can]

It is amusing that so many will first condemn the Bible as unreliable for any account, and then attempt to use the words of the Bible to condemn God. Now which is it? is the Bible an inaccurate fiction that should be cast aside? or is it an accurate account of Gods works on this Earth? or is it an account of man's corruption of Gods words? You can't have it all ways at the same time.

I see the same thing in ethics. People will tell you that since there's no God, there's no actual right and wrong, good or evil.

And then they'll tell you that God is wrong for allowing evil.

[Hobbes' Choice]

It is amusing that so many will first condemn the Bible as unreliable for any account, and then attempt to use the words of the Bible to condemn God. Now which is it? is the Bible an inaccurate fiction that should be cast aside? or is it an accurate account of Gods works on this Earth? or is it an account of man's corruption of Gods words? You can't have it all ways at the same time.

I see the same thing in ethics. People will tell you that since there's no God, there's no actual right and wrong, good or evil.

And then they'll tell you that God is wrong for allowing evil.

That's called irony idiot!

Smarter ones will tell you that god is evil for allowing goodness, as this lulls people into a false sense of joy only to be dashed by a prolonged and painful death. The good only exists to make the evil so much more horrible.
And that is why God allows some goodness in the world.


PS.

You are still....

... a damn fool.

1) Poverty, suffering a death are equally (and often even more) heaped upon the godly and the ungodly.
2) Your stupidity and confusion knows no bounds. You say; "this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent. " how meaningless!!! "SIN" has no capacity to care one way or another. Sin has no volition or emotion good or ill. Sin is an idea, not a deity ~Your brain has been fried by the cognitive dissonance between reality and your unfortunate 'faith' in the incoherent.
3) Evil, like wise is not a force of nature but an idea.
4) All you are proving is that God is impotent against the forces of nature.

It's a shame when a person capable of thinking, fails the most basic tests of reason and logic. You ought to be ashamed on the results you allow your brain to spout.

[thedoc]

So if I understand this correctly, those who criticize God for not eliminating or preventing all evil, would prefer to be mindless robots doing only good things because that is all they are allowed to do, because God only allows the good and not free choice. They criticize Christians for exercising their free choice but would prefer to not have any choice at all.

[Hobbes' Choice]

So if I understand this correctly, those who criticize God for not eliminating or preventing all evil, would prefer to be mindless robots doing only good things because that is all they are allowed to do, because God only allows the good and not free choice. They criticize Christians for exercising their free choice but would prefer to not have any choice at all.

Your understanding is way off the mark. Who is supposed to be saying this?

So people who criticise god, also criticise christians for exercising a free choice. I think your problem is that you think having a choice is opposed to being a robot who does only good things. Even a robot chooses.

Surely choosing to do good; such as bombing an abortion clinic, queer bashing, or flying a plane into the WTC - is that a free choice- or are they robots. You do not seem very clear on that point.

[thedoc]

Even a robot chooses.

Surely choosing to do good; such as bombing an abortion clinic, queer bashing, or flying a plane into the WTC - is that a free choice- or are they robots. You do not seem very clear on that point.

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

You need to read more carefully, I did not say that anyone was a robot, but if you demand that God prevent all evil, then you must also eliminate free choice. People can choose to do good or evil, eliminate that free choice and people become robots.

[bobevenson]

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

I'm sorry, but you are probably unaware of The Solid State Convention, a religion for the space age, which sees life proceeding in the direction of solid state electronics, eventually making even human beings as extinct as dinosaurs. This is happening all over the expanding universe, and after the universe begins contracting, there will be a convention of solid state devices with the omniscience of God.

[thedoc]

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

I'm sorry, but you are probably unaware of The Solid State Convention, a religion for the space age, which sees life proceeding in the direction of solid state electronics, eventually making even human beings as extinct as dinosaurs. This is happening all over the expanding universe, and after the universe begins contracting, there will be a convention of solid state devices with the omniscience of God.

Yes, and they all end up in Robot Heaven with all the other calculators, computers and toasters that have died, and they all know that human heaven is a fiction that doesn't exist.

[Greatest I am]

Ask your baby killing God, who kills children and babies for what their parents do.

You will have to ask Him yourself, when you see Him. For we all will.

However, if you imagine you'll be able to pin on Him what those he's given the gift of freedom have done with it, or to justify yourself while condemning Him for what you don't like, then I think you will find that your momentary sense of triumph will prove very perfidious. That's likely to happen when a Being of perfect knowledge encounters one of very little.

However, in the interest of your personal welfare, I leave you with this thought, from Romans Chapter 3:

“There is none righteous, not even one;

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There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;

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All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”

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“Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;

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“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;

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“Their feet are swift to shed blood,

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Destruction and misery are in their paths,

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And the path of peace they have not known.”

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“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God...

Verses 10-18 are fulfilled, in your case, mirrored in your words today. Verse 19 will tell you what your future holds.

Be wise and change your course. I wish you better than you are currently bringing upon yourself.

Be well.

I refuse to follow your God, --- who always seems to kill, --- when he could do the right thing and cure those he thinks afflicted.

You can have your satanic God. I will seek a good one.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

No i am not an 'idol worshipper - but then i am beyond a mere believer.

Nor a hard task but good for you.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

That does not negate what I said of most mammals.

Regards
DL

You originally said all species,

by Greatest I am » Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:55 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Nature put's females and offspring ahead of the males of all the species I know of.
Regards
DL

Now you are backpedaling to "most mammals", Nice dodge from a position that you couldn't defend, and won't admit that you were wrong.

Apparently your knowledge of species is very selectively limited, only those that fit your specifications.

Where are humans on your arbitrarily sliding scale?

A cheep point to you on my amendment.

Man is above God on my scale.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

It is amusing that so many will first condemn the Bible as unreliable for any account, and then attempt to use the words of the Bible to condemn God. Now which is it? is the Bible an inaccurate fiction that should be cast aside? or is it an accurate account of Gods works on this Earth? or is it an account of man's corruption of Gods words? You can't have it all ways at the same time.

Are you saying that there can be no wisdom in a work of fiction?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

It is amusing that so many will first condemn the Bible as unreliable for any account, and then attempt to use the words of the Bible to condemn God. Now which is it? is the Bible an inaccurate fiction that should be cast aside? or is it an accurate account of Gods works on this Earth? or is it an account of man's corruption of Gods words? You can't have it all ways at the same time.

I see the same thing in ethics. People will tell you that since there's no God, there's no actual right and wrong, good or evil.

And then they'll tell you that God is wrong for allowing evil.

As above, so below.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We are to emulate God. Right?

Do you allow evil to happen when you can prevent it?

Will you do like God, --- and kill as he is shown to do in scriptures when he can just as easily cure, --- those who he thinks evil?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Even a robot chooses.

Surely choosing to do good; such as bombing an abortion clinic, queer bashing, or flying a plane into the WTC - is that a free choice- or are they robots. You do not seem very clear on that point.

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

You need to read more carefully, I did not say that anyone was a robot, but if you demand that God prevent all evil, then you must also eliminate free choice. People can choose to do good or evil, eliminate that free choice and people become robots.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Regards
DL

[Hobbes' Choice]

Even a robot chooses.

Surely choosing to do good; such as bombing an abortion clinic, queer bashing, or flying a plane into the WTC - is that a free choice- or are they robots. You do not seem very clear on that point.

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

Wrong. Robots are capable of autonomous action which is based on programs. As robots get more complex they are already exceeding the level of choice making autonomy of multicellular animals.
I doubt very much if your own illusion of "free" choice is noting more than a more complex version, and there is little evidence you could bring to deny that this is anything more than a difference of degree, and not a difference in kind.

You need to read more carefully, I did not say that anyone was a robot, but if you demand that God prevent all evil, then you must also eliminate free choice. People can choose to do good or evil, eliminate that free choice and people become robots.

What you wrote was confused. I read it through twice. It was a thoughtless rant with little to recommend is, as you must be well aware.
I do not demand anything of God except that those that "choose" to believe in God at least have the balls to be consistent and have their view of God consonant with reality. "Free Will" is a read herring in this instance, as it denies omnipotence. It is also absurd to assert "god is love" and have evil; it is absurd to suggest evil is because of men's free will.
And as for your last sentence - you are still wrong to assert this childish dichotomy.

[attofishpi]

Even a robot chooses.

Surely choosing to do good; such as bombing an abortion clinic, queer bashing, or flying a plane into the WTC - is that a free choice- or are they robots. You do not seem very clear on that point.

Robots do not choose, they can only do what their human programmers have directed them to do.

Wrong. Robots are capable of autonomous action which is based on programs.

Robots can only ever choose what their algorithms permit, so to that extent thedoc is correct.