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Communitarian philosophy is based upon the belief that a person's social identity and personality are largely molded by community relationships : with a smaller degree of development being placed on individualism.

henry quirk wrote:"(the) glittering prize" for the communitarian is 'from each according to ability, to each according to need'.

For a small few, howver, the prize is being 'left alone', sumthin' communitarians (be they on the Left or Right) don't understand and cannot allow.

Impenitent wrote:

uwot wrote:

Impenitent wrote:no one ever does time for tax evasion...

-Imp

If paying tax bothers you, you are free to go and live in the hills or on the street, but if you want to take advantage of the infrastructure and services that others provide, they are entitled to charge you; even if, like workers in health, education, law enforcement, defence, civic planning and construction, etc, they do this by proxy.

Neither the US nor the UK have agencies that will force you to abide by their demands

entitled to charge you by force... and don't worry, there is not a square inch of "un-owned" land that you are "free" to occupy

-Imp

Obvious Leo wrote:

uwot wrote: Do you mean me? Do you know of any major party, in any developed democracy that is advocating that?

Henry is trapped in a time warp, as are many of his countrymen. Applying 19th century labels to 21st century systems of political thought does not make for a good understanding of the general principles under discussion.

mcg265 wrote:

Communitarian philosophy is based upon the belief that a person's social identity and personality are largely molded by community relationships : with a smaller degree of development being placed on individualism.

One good thing about Capitalism is that it does not say anything about how people should live,
Bullshit! You're a fool that's been bought and sold. Very typical indeed in a capitalist society.
Watch zeitgeist to open your eyes.
Keep in mind as you watch, that at least in the USA, the law states that every merchant 'must' accept dollars for payment. And I bet every country has a similar law on the books.

what their identity is or what is good for them. There are many co-operatives and communes
Communes??? I only ever want to commune with nature, which capitalist societies are killing! Because the idiots only ever ask if they can, never whether they should. They are a menace to the symbiotic biosphere! On which all our lives, by the way, depend. They are just far to blinded by the glittering prize to see, they build their undeniable demise, fools them all!

within the Capitalist societies where people who want this kind of living can go.

henry quirk wrote:SoB,

I understand shifty and shfiting culural norms, but I don't 'shift', can't 'go with the flow'. I'm not lookin' to set old ladies' blue hair on fire, or serve up child gumbo for supper, or marry a billy goat. I'm boring and conventional in the extreme. I just wanna be left alone.

I get that people, over the long haul, are evolving into 'homo connectus', each and every one linked to each and every other, and I get that most folks think this is a good thing.

I don't...no profit for me to pretend otherwise.

And I understand I'm on the losing side. Folks like Bill win. They'll get their global communitarian utopia (if the wahhabists don't beat 'em to the punch), not as quickly as they like, but a helluva lot faster than I like.
HQ, you didn't understand my point at all, as it was all in your favor! Let me put it in other words, so maybe you'll understand, "there is no universal rule book, that says how we must live. The rule book is all mans selfish bullshit, that goes any further than, the only thing one can't do is fuck with another's world, as long as it's not fucking with another's world. And there's how you allow for everyone's world." Yours included HQ!

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mcg,

More accurately, the marketplace (open, lightly arbitrated, no favorites picked from on high) imposes no value, no philosophy (it does exclude certain values, certain philosophies, but this is negation, not imposition). The market (nuthin' more than the countless transactions of, between, and among individuals) favors the idiosyncratic pursuit, favors the individual. Capitalism, by defintion, favors the capital. I understand the leftist complaints about Capitalsm, but the market and Capitalism are not synonomous, and I wish they'd stop cramming the two together.

henry quirk wrote:SoB,

Land ownership is a tricky thing. I can pick myself up and go wherever my legs can take me.
And then as you trespass on 'my' land with a shotgun I can kill you with my minigun, because you were threatening me with your shotgun. And you surely can't farm 'my' land, to sustain your life, so where can you go to actually live freely? All the land is owned in the same way, your death being, as good as, assured, you with your shotgun in hand. They not fearing any repercussions, as you trespassing, laying there, with shotgun in hand, speaks volumes of the intent of a dead man, as you then can't say a word! Which is what I meant, only that amount of land that is needed for a family to sustain itself, should be allowed to be owned. And that it's cost should be as free as your birthright!

In a real sense, I am my first, best property which I cannot be parted from. Ten acres of land is another matter...possession of it is highly dependent on the kinds of shifty and shifting norms I mention in the post above. Even my shotgun, a thing distinct from me, is more easily defended as 'mine' simply cuz I can pick it up and carry it along as I trundle from here to there. Just not feasible to haul mega tonnage of soil around.

This is why I (currently) rent...

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



In this new emerging reality, this digital revolution, no one wants to own anything...and that's a good thing.


Vehicles - Don't want to own - we got uber & driver-less electric vehicles at our disposal.

Homes - who wants to own when life circumstances change so quickly in this digital age.

From clothing to household items - who wants to own when you can make whatever you want with a 3D printer. Then melt & remake into another item.


#1 - We have entered already into a digital revolution. Part of the premise of this exciting time is that information is the new currency; the new capital. So - information capital is a benchmark for now and into the foreseeable future. So nothing of value will belong to anyone in particular.


#2 - Most every individual is now supported by public expense. And this trend will only continue and accelerate as the end of work becomes more and more common because of advances in technology.



#3 - Every citizen makes his own contribution to society according to their own ability right now.





***LIFE PRO TIP - Capitalism is the fastest path to Socialism.





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