Climate Change

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres, how old are you?
57
Just curious.

Forget it.

Your previous post qualifies you for my ignore list.

Whatever your sense of misjudgment tells you, I could really care less. The funny thing is you state it like it shall somehow hurt me, like your ignorance of my jest, and subsequent ignore shall insult me, as if your attention is some sort of badge, that all aspire to receive. Son you've got to get over yourself. I was messing with him because his posting style is obnoxious. What, is he your child? Or is it just because he's from Canada? Either way or whatever, do as it pleases you, that's all that matters to most!

[SpheresOfBalance]

I was wrong *. However,see what happens when almost everything you write is a personal attack. One just expects that in every post.
If you want to be effective here and in life I would suggest changing your ways. All you are accomplishing is making everyone your enemy.
* You were insulting someone else not me.

Newbie, I've been here for some time. I'm old and tired. Mostly of mankind's BS. You can't teach me anything, because I already know it, whether you realize it or not, from what you think you read of my words, is immaterial. I was playing with you, because you misread me. I really don't like being misrepresented, and was trying to straighten you out. Don't take things so personal here. I never hate the people here, just their half baked arguments, remember that the next time you read my response, if you choose to, no ones twisting your arm.

No I'm not soft and cuddly, my wife has a nickname for me, it's Grizzly Bear. Why do you think that's the case? Because she knows me well! Have you ever seen Grizzly Bears play? Sure they play, but not many humans could take their level of play, yet it's still play!

Please do me the courtesy of asking before grossly misrepresenting my words, I'd appreciate it. I'll do the same for you.

Once again! I've been a big supporter of Climate Change since 2005. Trying to spread the word since then, on that we agree. As to other arguments of yours however, who knows, only time shall tell. Good luck!

[Arising_uk]

RT,

Ned and Raw_Thought, ignore the dissenters. ...

You've misunderstood this bit, SOB was saying you should ignore the dissenters not that you were ignoring the dissenters.

As such you think this bit,

They're either yanking your chain, or fear admitting the truth, scared shitless of their complicity. They're in denial, in psychology considered the first stage of coping. ...

was about you, no it was about these dissenters.

Hope this clears things up.

Of course SOB could have corrected this misapprehension but then he didn't bother to understand how his meaning was interpreted as he thinks there only is his meaning and so responded in his usual combative way.

[SpheresOfBalance]

RT,

Ned and Raw_Thought, ignore the dissenters. ...

You've misunderstood this bit, SOB was saying you should ignore the dissenters not that you were ignoring the dissenters.

As such you think this bit,

They're either yanking your chain, or fear admitting the truth, scared shitless of their complicity. They're in denial, in psychology considered the first stage of coping. ...

was about you, no it was about these dissenters.

Hope this clears things up.

Of course SOB could have corrected this misapprehension but then he didn't bother to understand how his meaning was interpreted as he thinks there only is his meaning and so responded in his usual combative way.

Touché Arising! Yes once I get frustrated, and bound up, it's sometimes hard for me to release that tension, so as to remain calm and handle the situation rationally. Even though I know it's the best way to precede, old habits of self defense die hard. You'd have to have been there to understand. I've told you much, but it would be hard for anyone to understand, born from a much better, non violent perspective.

Of course I'm a work in progress, as are we all. But make no mistake, though I'm rough around the edges, my intentions are pure, and are only meant to help my fellow man. I'm just built that way, probably as a result of the the mental anguish. Go figure! No, actually I guess it's to be expected, depending of course on ones particular set of experiences, lucky for me there were some good example thrown in there too.

Saved by seeing the dichotomy for what it was, picking the better side, just struggling to purify it.

[raw_thought]

It is very simple,
FACT
EVERY scientific organization in the world (NASA, American Meteorological Society, Royal Academy, Scientific American, National Geographic....) and 97% of climate scientists endorse AGW.
If the entire world's scientific community is wrong then those posters that deny global warming are smarter then the ENTIRE world's scientific community or the entire world's scientific community is part of a conspiracy. Both options are ludicrous.
Those that deny AGW are like members of a cult. They avoid the evidence ( all the data proves AGW) and claim that all the world's scientific data is fake and part of the conspiracy. Who is behind this conspiracy? Bigfoot? Elvis? The munchkins? ha ha ha ha Im sorry those conspiracy enthusiasts are hysterical!

[Hobbes' Choice]

It is very simple,
FACT
EVERY scientific organization in the world (NASA, American Meteorological Society, Royal Academy, Scientific American, National Geographic....) and 97% of climate scientists endorse AGW.
If the entire world's scientific community is wrong then those posters that deny global warming are smarter then the ENTIRE world's scientific community or the entire world's scientific community is part of a conspiracy. Both options are ludicrous.
Those that deny AGW are like members of a cult. They avoid the evidence ( all the data proves AGW) and claim that all the world's scientific data is fake and part of the conspiracy. Who is behind this conspiracy? Bigfoot? Elvis? The munchkins? ha ha ha ha Im sorry those conspiracy enthusiasts are hysterical!

Not one scientist can tell you the DEGREE of AGW. SO you are basically over-stating your case as is so common in threads such as this.

[raw_thought]

Actually, that is not true. EVERY scientific organization in the world is warning us of the dangers of global warming.

[raw_thought]

I am on a tablet so I cannot post links. However I will provide the links to primary sources.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Actually, that is not true. EVERY scientific organization in the world is warning us of the dangers of global warming.

Not one scientist can tell you the DEGREE of AGW. SO you are basically over-stating your case as is so common in threads such as this.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I am on a tablet so I cannot post links. However I will provide the links to primary sources.

Not one scientist can tell you the DEGREE of AGW. SO you are basically over-stating your case as is so common in threads such as this.

[raw_thought]

What do you mean by that? Are you claiming that we are not breaking temp records? Or are you claiming that they do not know that the warming is because of human activity? Both are universally claimed by EVERY scientific organization in the world

[Hobbes' Choice]

What do you mean by that? Are you claiming that we are not breaking temp records? Or are you claiming that they do not know that the warming is because of human activity? Both are universally claimed by EVERY scientific organization in the world

With each passing year the ability to measure global temperatures grows. But the results, being gathered by different means each time offers us results that are not comparable.
We have no clue as to the historical global temperatures, so are not in a position to say with certainty how significant global warming is. Determining the overall temperature of the earth is not easy. It's not just a case of shoving a thermometer up its arse.
Current methods enable comparisons over the last decade of so.

~You statement;"Both are universally claimed by EVERY scientific organization " is utterly absurd and hysterical. There are only a handful of bodies capable of making this measurement, and the others just accept their findings having no data or interest in making their own measurements.
Your statement is meaningless, and quite inaccurate.

[raw_thought]

In response to the false claim that 97% of climate scientists do not endorse global warming.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -consensus
The fact is that the scientific consensus in favor of global warming is overwhelming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientifi ... ate_change
Yes, that is wiki. However note that they provide links to primary sources to each scientific organizations claims.
This next site (from Scientific American) takes on all the junk science from the global warming denier cult. Hockey stick…etc.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -nonsense/
Of course some may site the fraudulent Oregon petition
http://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM-Pe ... roject.htm
Of course some may site the fraudulent climategate. To say that we found a neat trick is like saying we found a neat trick to do this calculus problem in fewer steps
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climate ... hacked.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
I will stick with NASA
http://climate.nasa.gov/
The Royal Society,
It is certain that increased greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and from land use change lead to a warming of climate, and it is very likely that these green house gases are the dominant cause of the global warming that has been taking place over the last 50 years.
FROM
https://royalsociety.org/policy/climate-change/
AND,
• American Chemical Society[54]
• American Institute of Physics[55]
• American Physical Society[56]
• Australian Institute of Physics[57]
• European Physical Society[58]

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Meteorological Society
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
United States National Research Council
Royal Society of New Zealand
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Science Foundation
InterAcademy Council
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
Geological Society of America

Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Science
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization
American Quaternary Association
International Union for Quaternary Research
• American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians[79]
• American Institute of Biological Sciences. In October 2009, the leaders of 18 US scientific societies and organizations sent an open letter to the United States Senate reaffirming the scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and is primarily caused by human activities. The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) adopted this letter as their official position statement.[80][81] The letter goes on to warn of predicted impacts on the United States such as sea level rise and increases in extreme weather events, water scarcity, heat waves, wildfires, and the disturbance of biological systems. It then advocates for a dramatic reduction in emissions of greenhouse gases.[82]
• American Society for Microbiology[83]
• Australian Coral Reef Society[84]
• Institute of Biology (UK)[85]
• Society of American Foresters issued two position statements pertaining to climate change in which they cite the IPCC[86] and the UNFCCC.[87]
• The Wildlife Society (international)[88]
Human health
A number of health organizations have warned about the numerous negative health effects of global warming
• American Academy of Pediatrics[89]
• American College of Preventive Medicine[90]
• American Medical Association[91]
• American Public Health Association[92]
• Australian Medical Association in 2004[93] and in 2008[94]
• World Federation of Public Health Associations[95]
• World Health Organization[96]
• American Astronomical Society[97]
• American Statistical Association[98]
• The Institution of Engineers Australia[99]
• International Association for Great Lakes Research[100]
• Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand[101]
• The World Federation of Engineering Organizations (WFEO)
As of 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement, no scientific body of national or international scientists rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change.


NOAA says that we are getting warmer and breaking records! *
"The combined average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces for August 2014 was record high for the month, at 0.75°C (1.35°F) above the 20th century average of 15.6°C (60.1°F), topping the previous record set in 1998.
The global land surface temperature was 0.99°C (1.78°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F), the second highest on record for August, behind 1998.
For the ocean, the August global sea surface temperature was 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.4°F). This record high departure from average not only beats the previous August record set in 2005 by 0.08°C (0.14°F), but also beats the previous all-time record set just two months ago in June 2014 by 0.03°C (0.05°F).
The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for the June?August period was also record high for this period, at 0.71°C (1.28°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.5°F), beating the previous record set in 1998.
The June?August worldwide land surface temperature was 0.91°C (1.64°F) above the 20th century average, the fifth highest on record for this period. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average, the highest on record for June?August. This beats the previous record set in 2009 by 0.04°C (0.07°F).
FROM
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201506
Other factors have been ruled out by the entire world's scientific community
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm

At least read this link!!!
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

[raw_thought]

Harold Lewis (from the OP) is not a climate specialist. He is a physicist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Lewis
He complained that the “American Physical Society” was part of a worldwide conspiracy that includes NASA, Royal Society and EVERY scientific organization in the world.
I find that unlikely!

[raw_thought]

Here is the disreputable organization he is part of,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Wa ... Foundation