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Dubious wrote:Being implicitly meaningless, the Meaning of Life Variable will accept ANY meaning and the reason why there can never be a resolution.

Not so. We each can achieve our own resolution on this matter, though it is likely to change, as life must.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: though it is likely to change, as life must.

Yes. Sphincter control becomes more meaningful as we get to the business end of the journey.

Obvious Leo wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: though it is likely to change, as life must.

Yes. Sphincter control becomes more meaningful as we get to the business end of the journey.

More meaningful as less controllable - so i am told.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:More meaningful as less controllable - so i am told.

Indeed. That's what you've got to look forward to after a lifetime of clean and virtuous living. Better to make some poor lifestyle choices along the way and spare yourself the indignity of ambulatory flatulence.

Obvious Leo wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:More meaningful as less controllable - so i am told.

Indeed. That's what you've got to look forward to after a lifetime of clean and virtuous living. Better to make some poor lifestyle choices along the way and spare yourself the indignity of ambulatory flatulence.

I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Just wait patiently until something even worse happens to you but do it with music in your heart and poetry in your soul.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Obvious Leo wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:More meaningful as less controllable - so i am told.

Indeed. That's what you've got to look forward to after a lifetime of clean and virtuous living. Better to make some poor lifestyle choices along the way and spare yourself the indignity of ambulatory flatulence.

I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Whatever makes your life worth living. From all evidence, you're doing just great.
Did you know that your choices would have horrible consequences?

Do not swear at the NHS - it might not be here for long. It needs tough care.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Dubious wrote:Being implicitly meaningless, the Meaning of Life Variable will accept ANY meaning and the reason why there can never be a resolution.

Not so. We each can achieve our own resolution on this matter, though it is likely to change, as life must.

Yes so...and you even said so.

The Meaning of Life Variable will accept ANY meaning. What else could it mean but that each person has to be his own theorist...if it's really all that important to anyone. In the grand scheme of things there is ZERO Meaning only meanings per person. When inquired philosophically as if there were some undiscovered metaphysical imperative behind the question, there is NO resolution to be had. You're born only because one of the more ambitious sperm cells got to the finish line first and Voila! another extemporary product of mass production with variations and design flaws like everything else in nature.

The bottom line for me is, get on with it until life bucks you from the saddle one last time.

***Also note: Don't respond to me again...for or against. Whereas I agreed with many of your posts and disagreed with others but without insult, the moment I was deemed off center by you, I was suddenly a moron and some kind of hideous enemy of humanity. No further explanation just that.

To make it plain, I fucking detest your constant premature ejaculation of obscenities whenever you don't agree with something or simply misunderstand it. The message being communicate with those who want to communicate with you. I don't! Not at any level. If disagreement is not possible without ad hominem blowbacks then debate isn't either. It's that simple so let's keep you and me at a permanent mutual fuck off distance.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:There is no 'meaning of life,' except that which is in your mind for yours. It's a human construct often used to force ones opinions upon others. Ones meaning is theirs alone, only to be seriously considered by the one that 'creates' it.
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At last you are learning. You have proven yourself capable of changing your mind and absorbing some ideas from the Forum.
Well done.

I've never changed my mind on this topic, so what you're up about, is a mystery. You might be getting confused as to the difference between my various points of views that I reflect upon, posing any particular one, at any particular time. As in the past you surely have seemed to be, confused that is!

There is the general humanistic point of view, as well as plethora specific individual views. Then there is the largest of them all, encompassing all of humanity, that of the universal view, it is singular, massive and specific. Perspective is everything, and there are many to consider. I never look at things simplemindedly like some people here. Most of the time I'm far too deep for most here, evidenced by them not understanding, much to my surprise, but most importantly, "myself." Because my musings don't make my life easier, rather much harder, and I could do without the stress, but such is the gravity of the universal perspective. The more I pursue, the larger it becomes, obviously many, many lifetimes in size much like it's physicality. The humans of our planet have only scratched the surface, we are far too young, such that even though I understand the many facets of this fact, relatively giving me a leg up, it's still far to large for me to conquer, obviously, I'm just one human, with all the flaws that are intrinsically human, at this particular point of our evolution!

So what you really should have done, instead of acting as though you've known something, that I've just found, was to ask me from which perspective my words emanated. Because one of the many human flaws is that often they 'believe' they've found a singular answer, only, after much reflection (time on earth), to find another and then another, but then the really slow ones never do, hanging on to the first, their minds closed, not comprehending the immensity of the largest part of it all, their own psyches. I see that psyche and philosophy go hand in hand. That knowledge hides behind the limits of ones psyche, obscuring it's understanding. Such that for one to be the truest philosopher, they must first understand themselves completely, which is almost unheard of, as even that understanding takes many many years to unravel. Of course all the while that you consider my words, keep in mind that I firmly believe this to be true relative to our species current age, and expect that with our further evolution, we shall start our lives clearer of flawed influence, as unlike your thoughts on the matter, I know that with our evolution our humane properties increase. We become more and more human as we learn more and more of our flaws.

So I believe you should reconsider your initial understanding of my words, to which you responded. I have not been here long enough, or written enough words for anyone here to understand me, because they haven't yet understood themselves, let alone a stranger on an Internet forum. My thinking is more complex than many believe, us infants are still working on us, at least the brighter ones are! I'll learn about me until I die!

Have the scientists nailed down the human brain and consciousness yet? Exactly the point. When they finally do, humanity will have taken the very first step out of their infancy, into toddler-hood, in terms of understanding themselves, such that then everything else shall start becoming much definitely clearer!

Remember my favorite quote: 'I only know that I know nothing.' --Socrates--

marjoram_blues wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Obvious Leo wrote:
Indeed. That's what you've got to look forward to after a lifetime of clean and virtuous living. Better to make some poor lifestyle choices along the way and spare yourself the indignity of ambulatory flatulence.

I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Whatever makes your life worth living. From all evidence, you're doing just great.
Did you know that your choices would have horrible consequences?

Do not swear at the NHS - it might not be here for long. It needs tough care.

Smoking (both kinds), alcohol, overeating, and muff diving - all contribute to throat cancer.
I've done all of them. I never thought the last one was going to be a problem.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:There is no 'meaning of life,' except that which is in your mind for yours. It's a human construct often used to force ones opinions upon others. Ones meaning is theirs alone, only to be seriously considered by the one that 'creates' it.
)

At last you are learning. You have proven yourself capable of changing your mind and absorbing some ideas from the Forum.
Well done.

I've never changed my mind on this topic, so what you're up about, is a mystery. You might be getting confused as to the difference between my various points of views that I reflect upon, posing any particular one, at any particular time. As in the past you surely have seemed to be, confused that is!

There is the general humanistic point of view, as well as plethora specific individual views. Then there is the largest of them all, encompassing all of humanity, that of the universal view, it is singular, massive and specific.

That's more like it - back to your normal state of contradiction and confusion!

I knew that flying pig was a mirage.

Obvious Leo wrote:
Indeed. That's what you've got to look forward to after a lifetime of clean and virtuous living. Better to make some poor lifestyle choices along the way and spare yourself the indignity of ambulatory flatulence.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Whatever makes your life worth living. From all evidence, you're doing just great.
Did you know that your choices would have horrible consequences?

Do not swear at the NHS - it might not be here for long. It needs tough care.

Smoking (both kinds), alcohol, overeating, and muff diving - all contribute to throat cancer.
I've done all of them. I never thought the last one was going to be a problem.

So we have other things in common too, except for the last one, for now anyway, except for a periodic dry throat!
But should we really talk to a lady that way? What do you think MB? Frankness or consideration to the side of caution?

Anybody who seeks the meaning of life in its destination is going to have a pretty miserable time of it because this destination is well known. The meaning of life lies in the journey of life, not in its destination, and since the nature of this journey changes from one moment to the next then so too does the meaning of it. This is the ultimate expression of personal freedom because it means that we are always free to define this meaning for ourselves in whichever way we choose and we are equally free to change this definition whenever we choose and we need give no advance notice nor offer any explanation for doing so.

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Excellent post. Well thought out & well written.


Thank you for adding that perspective to this rather broad thread.






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Hobbes' Choice wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I did make those bad choices. I did get the throat cancer. But the bastard NHS saved my life.... At 55, now, what am I supposed to do.

Whatever makes your life worth living. From all evidence, you're doing just great.
Did you know that your choices would have horrible consequences?

Do not swear at the NHS - it might not be here for long. It needs tough care.

Smoking (both kinds), alcohol, overeating, and muff diving - all contribute to throat cancer.
I've done all of them. I never thought the last one was going to be a problem.

HC, yeah it's a pretty hellish way to find out that over and above alcohol and tobacco, other risk-increasing factors include infection with a virus called human papilloma virus. We should all be educated on HPV. Apparently there is now a vaccine to help prevent cervical cancer.

The information is out there - but sometimes people decide life is too short to worry about something that might never happen. We all know of a great-uncle Harry who smoked a pipe and drank beer for all his carefree 99yrs, no probs.

HC, you and your partner have been so strong to get through the treatment stages. From what I've read here, you have the best attitude ever to life and the meaning you give to it.

As to Sphere's question re any sensitivity to sexual terminology. Sense and sensibility support my laidback position. Frank is good. But I think you both know that.
Be well - be yourself. Take care.