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Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:25 am
by SpheresOfBalance
Omniscientone wrote:I feel this is a metaphysical question, but maybe it's not. Either way I'm posting it here.
Einstein was once asked if he could go forward to the future and find out one thing about the Universe what would it be? He responded that he'd go forward and find out if it was Friendly or not. Is the universe intrinsically good? Robert Fuller argued that our very existence means the universe is a good place. Or as Carl Sagan said is it "indifferent"? Or maybe it's an intrinsically evil place? I remember Tyson once saying something like he finds it hard to believe in a benevolent creator being when he sees all the stuff that "wants to kills us".
So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
The universe is neither good nor evil, in and of itself. But surely from every life loving human's perspective, it must be considered good, otherwise I say to you, Seppuku. It is good from a humans perspective because he has a chance to see, hear, smell, feel and taste what life has to offer, and personally I see the universe as extremely beautiful and well worth the cost of admission to this limited engagement. Some of the variety of things to sense on this earth are absolutely breathtakingly incredible. It is true however, that in many cases, I find the cost of the finale, a bit distasteful. So I say to you that the concepts of Good and Evil only exist within the mind of the human lover of this life.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:35 am
by Kuznetzova
Omniscientone wrote:So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
The universe's
Alignment? Like D&D?
Gonna have to go with Chaotic Good, with slight shades of Chaotic Neutral.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:13 am
by chaz wyman
Kuznetzova wrote:Omniscientone wrote:So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
The universe's
Alignment? Like D&D?
Gonna have to go with Chaotic Good, with slight shades of Chaotic Neutral.
Nah - Chaotic evil. Good exists only as a contrast to make suffering all the more horrible.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:15 am
by chaz wyman
Omniscientone wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
Can you cite your Einstein reference? Given what Einstein I have read, this comment seems like a joke.
My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"
A joke indeed!!
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:44 pm
by Omniscientone
chaz wyman wrote:Omniscientone wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
Can you cite your Einstein reference? Given what Einstein I have read, this comment seems like a joke.
My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"
A joke indeed!!
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
Yea, that's why I apologized for sound misleading........
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:12 pm
by chaz wyman
Omniscientone wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Omniscientone wrote:
My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"
A joke indeed!!
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
Yea, that's why I apologized for sound misleading........
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:55 pm
by SecularCauses
chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:35 pm
by chaz wyman
SecularCauses wrote:chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?
Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:40 pm
by SecularCauses
chaz wyman wrote:SecularCauses wrote:chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?
Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
I'm not the one who writes on here that the Jews control the US economy because you can find some rich Jews. That's your argument, and calling it moronic is much too generous. it is pure bullshit. You are a fucking assfuck for the ages, chaz the neo-nazi fuck. You also have shown no understanding of the most basic science, math, economics, history, logic, etc.
Your comment, by the way, was not ironic. That's not the proper word. You don't even know what irony means, and that IS ironic.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:43 pm
by chaz wyman
SecularCauses wrote:chaz wyman wrote:SecularCauses wrote:
What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?
Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
I'm not the one who writes on here that the Jews control the US economy because you can find some rich Jews. That's your argument, and calling it moronic is much too generous. it is pure bullshit. You are a fucking assfuck for the ages, chaz the neo-nazi fuck. You also have shown no understanding of the most basic science, math, economics, history, logic, etc.
Your comment, by the way, was not ironic. That's not the proper word. You don't even know what irony means, and that IS ironic.
Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:55 pm
by SecularCauses
chaz wyman wrote:
Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!
What are you even writing about, douchebag? America is far superior to your backwater land. Italy, the land that imprisones innocent scientists. Europe, that outlaws freedom of speech. Europe, that still bows to royal families. Europe, the land that people escaped from to start a better nation, called America. Keep your European fascism to yourselves. Fucking idiots.
Re: The Universe: And its alignment
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:56 pm
by chaz wyman
SecularCauses wrote:chaz wyman wrote:
Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!
What are you even writing about, douchebag? America is far superior to your backwater land. Italy, the land that imprisones innocent scientists. Europe, that outlaws freedom of speech. Europe, that still bows to royal families. Europe, the land that people escaped from to start a better nation, called America. Keep your European fascism to yourselves. Fucking idiots.
No, you don't get it. American culture does not do irony, and many Americans seem not to be able to recognise it - as you have demonstrated.