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Sorry, but it looks like the theological equivalent of interpreting Nostradamus to mean what you want it to.

Khalid wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Yes that's exactly what I thought, that's brain washing. This is saying that 'a man of understanding' shall be able to see this. It's a common way of twisting one's arm into believing, it works most effectively on those that have doubts about themselves, because everyone wants to be a man of understanding, so one believes that if they don't believe then they are not a man of understanding, that they are dumb, so they tend to believe regardless of doubt as to the words truth because they want to be that understanding man. It's not as effective on the truly wise, as they understand the writers intent, and require no ego boosting. As a matter of fact they tend to be naturally more critical.

Not brainwashing , if someone doesn't wanna believe in the creator why would he read the Quran and let those ? . If you feel God , If you have certainty that you will see angels in the moment of dying , if you feel that there is judgment day and you will be judged after death , if you feel that hell and heaven is true , if you feel that this life isn't only for collecting money , having sex , dancing and laughing , if you just simply feel him then you have that thing called FAITH . Then phrases like men of understand and wise people that exist in the Quran aren't going to be that effective thing that your faith is gonna be based on .

You are rationalizing, and straying from the point, which is that there is no other purpose, for the text we speak of, save brainwashing. It matters not, how you or I specifically view things, it's as to the writers intent, of which I speak. If you can claim another purpose, that logically follows, from the phrases in question, have at it!

I suggest you first quote it then supply your analysis immediately following the quote.

Khalid wrote: 1- God says : "And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam, and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allah puts the wrath on those who believe not."

* Well , we surely heard of the information that says the more you climb up to the sky away from the sea level the the less quantity or concentration of Oxygen starts to get , and this information is well known for people who likes climb mountains .

the effects of climbing up mountains were well know for a while

so there is nothing noteworthy about this one even if we accept your interpretation of the verse

so whats the deal with stoning for adultery

one more thing

is it true that having a boyfriend is forbidden in islam

one of my muslim classmates says its forbidden which is like the most retarded thing i ever heard

Kayla wrote:

Khalid wrote: 1- God says : "And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam, and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allah puts the wrath on those who believe not."

* Well , we surely heard of the information that says the more you climb up to the sky away from the sea level the the less quantity or concentration of Oxygen starts to get , and this information is well known for people who likes climb mountains .

the effects of climbing up mountains were well know for a while

so there is nothing noteworthy about this one even if we accept your interpretation of the verse

so whats the deal with stoning for adultery

There were no high mountains in the place where Muhammed prophet lived so that he could have known the effects but anyway you are right it's not very noteworthy . stoning for adultery ? .. This punishment isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country . I never heard of it been used before . And once a woman came to prophet muhammed and told him that she was a whore and she want to be punished in her life to avoid hell in the after life .. he told her repent to God and ask him forgiveness , she insisted to be punished and get stoned . That was a very rare condition . And God is the most merciful and if Muhammed prophet is here now in this age of Porn movies and difficult economical conditions he would prohibited a punishment like that . I wish you open your heart and your mind if you want to know the real Islam not small things like you mentioned

Kayla wrote:one more thing

is it true that having a boyfriend is forbidden in islam

one of my muslim classmates says its forbidden which is like the most retarded thing i ever heard

Sex before marriage is forbidden just whether you like it or not , whether I myself like it or not, it's a rule for those believe in God and in the judgement day and we have to accept it without arguments

Khalid wrote:stoning for adultery ? .. This punishment isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country

fair enuf the saudis prefer beheadings or is that just propaganda

And once a woman came to prophet muhammed and told him that she was a whore and she want to be punished in her life to avoid hell in the after life .. he told her repent to God and ask him forgiveness , she insisted to be punished and get stoned .

let me see if i get this

a mentally ill person - a suicidal one - goes to muhammad and asks to be killed - and he goes ahead and does it

dude, what the fuck?

Kayla wrote: let me see if i get this

a mentally ill person - a suicidal one - goes to muhammad and asks to be killed - and he goes ahead and does it

dude, what the fuck?

You call it mental illness , I call it faith . And yes Saudi Arabia has islamic law but believe me that punishment is rarely used , and it only used against a married woman who betrays her husband or a husband who betrays her woman . I myself could possibly kill my wife if she betrays me .

Khalid wrote:stoning for adultery ? .. This punishment isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country . I never heard of it been used before .

You must be joking. It's a legal punishment in Iran. It was also passed into law in 2009 in Aceh province in Indonesia and it is legal (or was until very recently in case I've missed anything) in Afghanistan, sections of Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates.

Saying that "isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country" undermines your credibility somewhat I'm afraid because there are plenty of documented cases of its use or its existence in the law books as a deterrent.

Khalid wrote:I myself could possibly kill my wife if she betrays me .

Do you mean you would be allowed to kill your wife if she betrayed you or that you believe you would be capable and prepared to do so?

John wrote:

Khalid wrote:stoning for adultery ? .. This punishment isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country . I never heard of it been used before .

You must be joking. It's a legal punishment in Iran. It was also passed into law in 2009 in Aceh province in Indonesia and it is legal (or was until very recently in case I've missed anything) in Afghanistan, sections of Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates.

Saying that "isn't used in any Arab or Islamic country" undermines your credibility somewhat I'm afraid because there are plenty of documented cases of its use or its existence in the law books as a deterrent.

Alright , you mentioned 7 Islamic countries ? there are 19 Arab countries with majority of Muslims that don't implement that punishment in case we consider your information are accurate . So we have Saudi Arabia , Iran , Aceh probince in Indonesia , Afghanistian (in case it didn't change) , section of Nigeria , Pakistan , Sudan and the UAE that use that punishment . Alright let those people live the way they want and if they refuse that punishment implemented by law there , they can uprise against it .

John wrote:

Khalid wrote:I myself could possibly kill my wife if she betrays me .

Do you mean you would be allowed to kill your wife if she betrayed you or that you believe you would be capable and prepared to do so?

No , I would not be allowed but law punishment in this case here in Egypt would be prison for 3 year or maybe not even getting jailed , this is the law here . but what I did mean is that I would kill my wife because the feeling of betrayal is very harsh and can't be forgiven easily . It's something that I could not stand .

Khalid wrote:but what I did mean is that I would kill my wife because the feeling of betrayal is very harsh and can't be forgiven easily . It's something that I could not stand .

I think you probably have mental health issues then.

John wrote:

Khalid wrote:but what I did mean is that I would kill my wife because the feeling of betrayal is very harsh and can't be forgiven easily . It's something that I could not stand .

I think you probably have mental health issues then.

Law itself excuses and give light sentence to people who commit murder in case of being betrayed . I don't think I will kill her in that condition but I just wanted to tell that it's something that I will not stand . that would be the most harsh thing I could ever experience in my life .

Khalid wrote:

John wrote:

Khalid wrote:but what I did mean is that I would kill my wife because the feeling of betrayal is very harsh and can't be forgiven easily . It's something that I could not stand .

I think you probably have mental health issues then.

Law itself excuses and give light sentence to people who commit murder in case of being betrayed . I don't think I will kill her in that condition but I just wanted to tell that it's something that I will not stand . that would be the most harsh thing I could ever experience in my life .

Do you feel that it is morally justifiable to kill a cheating wife or would it be a moral weakness to do so.