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Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Do you want to join JAMit or kiss France and Germany's ass?

Only if you lead by example and are the first to strap-on a suicide-vest.

He'd be more likely to strap-on a dildo

bobevenson wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Do you want to join JAMit or kiss France and Germany's ass?

Only if you lead by example and are the first to strap-on a suicide-vest.

See, honey, you don't understand shit, do you? JAMit is a peaceful organization, but we will be ready to kick any Muslim's ass who tries to prevent us from excercising our First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution. Of course, you Europeans don't have to worry about things like that since you don't have any First Amendment rights to protect!!!

See, honey, you guys have 50 different states all claiming to be the one country. Which is fine, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking it. But over here, we have a lot of different states, each being its own country, with some few laws we have nearly all agreed on, except that any state can opt out if it wants. So it's not the same, is it?
Did you know that France, Germany England, Spain and Italy don't even speak the same language as each other, and they don't all have the same government. It's complicated. People in Slovakia Greece and Poland don't even necessarily know who each other's Presidents are!
Ask your dad, or try to find someone who gives a shit about your level of geo-political knowledge.

Thundril wrote:

bobevenson wrote:since you don't have any First Amendment rights to protect!!!

See, honey, you guys have 50 different states all claiming to be the one country. Which is fine, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking it. But over here, we have a lot of different states, each being its own country, with some few laws we have nearly all agreed on, except that any state can opt out if it wants. So it's not the same, is it?
Did you know that France, Germany England, Spain and Italy don't even speak the same language as each other, and they don't all have the same government. It's complicated. People in Slovakia Greece and Poland don't even necessarily know who each other's Presidents are!
Ask your dad, or try to find someone who gives a shit about your level of geo-political knowledge.

Someone has to tell him I suppose. It's hard to understand why anyone would need to be told such basics but it seems necessary.
As I understand it, it is only the countries that actually perpetrated the Holocaust that have made denial illegal.
(Germany, Austria, Hungary). A state of affairs that is probably a good thing.

Thundril wrote:You guys have 50 different states all claiming to be the one country. Which is fine, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking it. But over here, we have a lot of different states, each being its own country, with some few laws we have nearly all agreed on, except that any state can opt out if it wants. So it's not the same, is it? Did you know that France, Germany England, Spain and Italy don't even speak the same language as each other, and they don't all have the same government. It's complicated. People in Slovakia Greece and Poland don't even necessarily know who each other's Presidents are!

Who gives a shit about the differences between European countries. You're all alike in that none of you have the slightest interest in promoting or protecting personal freedom. And don't deny it.

bobevenson wrote:See, honey, you don't understand shit, do you? JAMit is a peaceful organization, but we will be ready to kick any Muslim's ass who tries to prevent us from excercising our First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution. Of course, you Europeans don't have to worry about things like that since you don't have any First Amendment rights to protect!!!

What happened to these two guys 1st Amendment 'rights'? Jihadi Samir Khan and Anwar Awlaki.

What happened to their 7th Amendment 'right'?

Seems a fairly selective set of 'rights', i.e. as long as it agrees with what the govt wants, if not death by drone. Although that could apply to you.

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:See, honey, you don't understand shit, do you? JAMit is a peaceful organization, but we will be ready to kick any Muslim's ass who tries to prevent us from excercising our First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution. Of course, you Europeans don't have to worry about things like that since you don't have any First Amendment rights to protect!!!

What happened to these two guys 1st Amendment 'rights'? Jihadi Samir Khan and Anwar Awlaki.

What happened to their 7th Amendment 'right'?

Seems a fairly selective set of 'rights', i.e. as long as it agrees with what the govt wants, if not death by drone. Although that could apply to you.

Look, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All I'm saying is that it's a pretty sad fucking day when you can't burn a copy of the Quran or draw a picture of Mohammed without fearing for your fucking life, and anybody who doesn't agree with me is a fucking moron.

bobevenson wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:See, honey, you don't understand shit, do you? JAMit is a peaceful organization, but we will be ready to kick any Muslim's ass who tries to prevent us from excercising our First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution. Of course, you Europeans don't have to worry about things like that since you don't have any First Amendment rights to protect!!!

What happened to these two guys 1st Amendment 'rights'? Jihadi Samir Khan and Anwar Awlaki.

What happened to their 7th Amendment 'right'?

Seems a fairly selective set of 'rights', i.e. as long as it agrees with what the govt wants, if not death by drone. Although that could apply to you.

Look, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All I'm saying is that it's a pretty sad fucking day when you can't burn a copy of the Quran or draw a picture of Mohammed without fearing for your fucking life, and anybody who doesn't agree with me is a fucking moron.

Yes every man should have the right to wear an overall one piece white pointy-hooded costume with 'KKK' on is, and 'all blacks are fags' and walk round the a black neighbourhood.

chaz wyman wrote: Yes every man should have the right to wear an overall one piece white pointy-hooded costume with 'KKK' on is, and 'all blacks are fags' and walk round the a black neighbourhood.

Well, I'm glad you agree with me on something!

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Yes every man should have the right to wear an overall one piece white pointy-hooded costume with 'KKK' on is, and 'all blacks are fags' and walk round the a black neighbourhood.

Well, I'm glad you agree with me on something!

Maybe you should go and fucking do it?

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Yes every man should have the right to wear an overall one piece white pointy-hooded costume with 'KKK' on is, and 'all blacks are fags' and walk round the a black neighbourhood.

Well, I'm glad you agree with me on something!

Maybe you should go and fucking do it?

If I did it, the law would be on my side, which I know is incomprehensible to Europeans, who have no conception of freedom, and deserve every shackle the government clamps on them.

bobevenson wrote: If I did it, the law would be on my side, which I know is incomprehensible to Europeans, who have no conception of freedom, and deserve every shackle the government clamps on them.

You are living in a world of your own imagination.

Why not fuck off to your nearest Mosque a burn a Koran?
Or are you too scared?

bobevenson wrote:Look, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. ...

No big surprise there as you have a very selective view of things. Let me make it simple for you, both those American citizens were killed for speaking their mind about Americas foreign policies, they were not given due process and tried. All in all a sad reflection upon your vaunted 'Bill of Rights'.

Whereas over here in our unfree land we take them to court for incitement rather than summarily murder them.

Personally I'd ban all you godbotherers and burn all your books and prophecies but understand it'd just make your nonsense flourish. As such I'll just wait for such nonsense to wither away as the human race grows up.

America tends the habitually make a mockery of its Bill of RIghts by routinely shooting to kill

One recalls the killing of 4 students, the maiming or others and the paralysis of another. In Kent state over peaceful protests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Then there is the history of 'n*****-hanging' in many southern states that was the same of the world until MLK changed perceptions. On which point is is worth pointing out that the USA did not start to join the civilised world until the late 1960s.
But today, the summery execution is an all too often feature is most of America's cities in their perpetual war against young black males.
One has to mention Oscar Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4

But as we know discrimination, although nominally illegal in the USA, has so many exceptions, that the law is a shred of tissue. Where sex and gender discrimination are permitted in States begging with A and K and most of the Ms, and all religion is able to pursue all forms of discrimination, indiscriminately.

But that's okay says Bob, surely employers are able to employ whom they choose? Sure! okay for a white adult male Christian!! So much for a Bill of RIghts.

None of which is as tragic as the myth that there is a functioning democracy in the USA where you can shout and scream as much as you like but as the corporations have all the politicians in their pockets you might as well be pissing into the wind, because no one is listening; no one has the financial power to control the media except the corporations; no one has the billions required to run the ads except the corporation; and when you do get political arguments what is it about ??? Who is fucking who with what, who was the worst draft dodger; who embezzled the most funds and who can tell the biggest lies about their political opponent.
Because one thing is for sure - when you can say what you fucking like, then you can tell all the lies you want, by the time the dust settles the injured party has his name dragged through the mud and real and important political issues concerning the health and wealth of the people are not on the agenda.

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote: If I did it, the law would be on my side, which I know is incomprehensible to Europeans, who have no conception of freedom, and deserve every shackle the government clamps on them.

You are living in a world of your own imagination.

Why not fuck off to your nearest Mosque a burn a Koran?
Or are you too scared?

See, you still don't get it. Let me simplify it for you. Please give me an answer to the following question: If a person wants to draw a picture of Mohammed, is it a proper state of affairs for him to fear for his life or be interferred with in any way? Just give me a yes or no answer, idiot!

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote: If I did it, the law would be on my side, which I know is incomprehensible to Europeans, who have no conception of freedom, and deserve every shackle the government clamps on them.

You are living in a world of your own imagination.

Why not fuck off to your nearest Mosque a burn a Koran?
Or are you too scared?

See, you still don't get it. Let me simplify it for you. Please give me an answer to the following question: If a person wants to draw a picture of Mohammed, is it a proper state of affairs for him to fear for his life or be interferred with in any way? Just give me a yes or no answer, idiot!

I've no idea why you are asking that. It is perfectly legal to depict the prophet mohammed as far as I know.

Now let me ask you a question.
Why is it illegal in many US schools to deny evolution? Why is it that it is illegal for Christians to present the scientific theory of creationism?
How does this differ from holocaust denial in the few countries that perpetrated that crime on humanity?


America tends the habitually make a mockery of its Bill of RIghts by routinely shooting to kill

One recalls the killing of 4 students, the maiming or others and the paralysis of another. In Kent state over peaceful protests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Then there is the history of 'n*****-hanging' in many southern states that was the same of the world until MLK changed perceptions. On which point is is worth pointing out that the USA did not start to join the civilised world until the late 1960s.
But today, the summery execution is an all too often feature is most of America's cities in their perpetual war against young black males.
One has to mention Oscar Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4

But as we know discrimination, although nominally illegal in the USA, has so many exceptions, that the law is a shred of tissue. Where sex and gender discrimination are permitted in States begging with A and K and most of the Ms, and all religion is able to pursue all forms of discrimination, indiscriminately.

But that's okay says Bob, surely employers are able to employ whom they choose? Sure! okay for a white adult male Christian!! So much for a Bill of RIghts.

None of which is as tragic as the myth that there is a functioning democracy in the USA where you can shout and scream as much as you like but as the corporations have all the politicians in their pockets you might as well be pissing into the wind, because no one is listening; no one has the financial power to control the media except the corporations; no one has the billions required to run the ads except the corporation; and when you do get political arguments what is it about ??? Who is fucking who with what, who was the worst draft dodger; who embezzled the most funds and who can tell the biggest lies about their political opponent.
Because one thing is for sure - when you can say what you fucking like, then you can tell all the lies you want, by the time the dust settles the injured party has his name dragged through the mud and real and important political issues concerning the health and wealth of the people are not on the agenda.