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bobevenson wrote:If you think there is such a thing as free will, consider this. An exact duplicate of any human being living today, but born and raised in Mongolia 10,000 years ago, would be a totally different person than today's version. Free will? You've got to be kidding. We are prisoners of our religious, cultural and social values.

Greatest I am wrote: If you were not doing your will in responding to the O P, whose will was it?

bobevenson wrote:Divine intervention, O my brother in tribulation!

Greatest I am wrote:Claiming divinity are you.

bobevenson wrote:I am claiming that "The Ouzo Prophecy" (http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf) is divinely inspired.

+1 ?? Genes as +1 ? I have free will and also free will ?

Me and my self ? What about I ?

Wait - did you hear that ?

lancek4 wrote:+1 ?? Genes as +1 ? I have free will and also free will ?

Me and my self ? What about I ?

Wait - did you hear that ?

Your 'I' is determined by genes, experience and environment.

Huh?

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:Huh?

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DL

What did you mean by +1?

chaz wyman wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Huh?

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DL

What did you mean by +1?

A positive signal that I agree.
+ 1 adds 1 voice to the thought.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Huh?

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DL

What did you mean by +1?

A positive signal that I agree.
+ 1 adds 1 voice to the thought.

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DL

I see, shame you did not say so in the first place.
I thought you meant that there was one more determining factor, probably god or some such

"Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?"

Not really. Using your same example, when children leave home, you said, you supposedly lost your right to imposse your standars on them. But that happens in the case when they leave your home. According to the Biblical teaching God is earth´s owner, therefore, He is still free to imposs His standars on us.
Scond, Free will is not =/= without consequences or responsability.

Ale Martinez wrote:"Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?"

Not really. Using your same example, when children leave home, you said, you supposedly lost your right to imposse your standars on them. But that happens in the case when they leave your home. According to the Biblical teaching God is earth´s owner, therefore, He is still free to imposs His standars on us.
Scond, Free will is not =/= without consequences or responsability.

Free wiill is the jealous assertion against that God will not disclose His great plan to us humans, that humans and God are not ethically bound =/=

Ale Martinez wrote:"Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?"

Not really. Using your same example, when children leave home, you said, you supposedly lost your right to imposse your standars on them. But that happens in the case when they leave your home. According to the Biblical teaching God is earth´s owner, therefore, He is still free to imposs His standars on us.
Scond, Free will is not =/= without consequences or responsability.

Who gave God the freedom to punish those he has nothing to do with?

Your own scriptures tell you that mankind was given dominion here and if your God is moral at all, he would honor his word. The moment he opens his mouth and commands, then he is clawing back his gift to us.

If that particular bible God was real in the first place that is. That is rather doubtful and those of intelligence will work that doubt.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

Ale Martinez wrote:"Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?"

Not really. Using your same example, when children leave home, you said, you supposedly lost your right to imposse your standars on them. But that happens in the case when they leave your home. According to the Biblical teaching God is earth´s owner, therefore, He is still free to imposs His standars on us.
Scond, Free will is not =/= without consequences or responsability.

Who gave God the freedom to punish those he has nothing to do with? this makes no sense. 'who gave God' ? 'the freedom' ? 'has nothing to do with' ? Do you read what you post? This sentence is nothing but convoluted nonsense.

Your own scriptures tell you that mankind was given dominion here and if your God is moral at all, he would honor his word. The moment he opens his mouth and commands, then he is clawing back his gift to us.
if God is moral he would honor his word? How could we know of an amoral god? Only by our morality
If that particular bible God was real in the first place that is. That is rather doubtful and those of intelligence will work that doubt.

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DL

I have no clue the point you are trying to make here.

lancek4 wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

Ale Martinez wrote:"Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?"

Not really. Using your same example, when children leave home, you said, you supposedly lost your right to imposse your standars on them. But that happens in the case when they leave your home. According to the Biblical teaching God is earth´s owner, therefore, He is still free to imposs His standars on us.
Scond, Free will is not =/= without consequences or responsability.

Who gave God the freedom to punish those he has nothing to do with? this makes no sense. 'who gave God' ? 'the freedom' ? 'has nothing to do with' ? Do you read what you post? This sentence is nothing but convoluted nonsense.

Your own scriptures tell you that mankind was given dominion here and if your God is moral at all, he would honor his word. The moment he opens his mouth and commands, then he is clawing back his gift to us.
if God is moral he would honor his word? How could we know of an amoral god? Only by our morality
If that particular bible God was real in the first place that is. That is rather doubtful and those of intelligence will work that doubt.

Regards
DL

I have no clue the point you are trying to make here.

Not surprising.

FYPOV, God can do whatever he likes, good or evil.
Oops, even genocide and having his son needlessly murdered is good to believers so ignore the word evil above.

FMPOV, if God shows up to punish after his long vacation, then he is a complete S O B and should be rejected.

Satan`s morals are even better. Imaginary of course but still better if you believe your bible.

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DL

GIA is clearly angry. He is angry with the God he was told about when he was growing up. He is upset that god never really turned out to be the thing he was supposed to have been; a good father looking out for us all. God does not match up to any account of him. The contents of the bible do not help - it's no wonder because it is no more than the unfounded opinions of a range of fakers and dreamers.
GIA needs to take the next necessary step by disassociating himself from the opinion of others, and look at the world around him to form his own conclusions about the possibility of god.

If he were smart, he would read the book of Revelation and "The Ouzo Prophecy," since these are the only documents that will lead him to the truth of his existence.

bobevenson wrote:If he were smart, he would read the book of Revelation and "The Ouzo Prophecy," since these are the only documents that will lead him to the truth of his existence.

He's not that stupid!
Replacing one myth with another that does not even qualify as a myth.