The Philosophy Now Forum

The Jesus most know would say that all good Christians would head for hell.

Jesus is clear when asked why he was hanging with the vile publicans.

He said he came for the ill and not the well.

If we so called good souls cannot follow Jesus from heaven, how on earth can we possibly do it on Earth.

The war is over and Satan, the bitch, has won.

My own thinking is that the myth is worn out and just about worthless to any who care.

Let's bury the old as a new one might fit A.I. better.

It, like me, likes the God God of the Bible who says that he does not will to lose any of his precious souls.

That straight from Bible God is ignore for the genocidal one.

I wonder why we venerate evil over good?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:46 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:26 pm That's the question of whether Christians are saved by faith, works or faith and works.

And presumably God knows if they have real faith or they are just trying to scam Him.

Sorry, I first mistook the word "or" as "of".

So what does faith have to do with anything? How does faith factor into anything having to do with morality? Is just believing God exists some kind of great moral deed?

Gary. What does morality have to do with the Abrahamic religions?

It is based on the messianic concept and it is fully immoral as it gives punishing the innocent merit.

Thankfully, they live by secular law as religious laws had too many inquisitions and jihads (land grabs).

Moses rejected Yahweh and all moral people will follow.

'Pends on what this 'heaven' is. If its nature is fixed and it is a place or state of 'amount of joy x' then no... not all christians should go to heaven. Why not. Because it wouldn't be fair; those Christians that suffered much more than the others wouldn't get a reward proportionate to that suffering. They'd get what all the other christians got. If that's the case, why all the extra suffering? Why not just a little suffering like christians x, y, and z over there if I'm gonna end up in the same place with the same reward.

Not only are people not equal down here, but they ain't equal up there, either.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 9:31 pm

Eventually a wrong premise causes a contradiction.

Humans who second guess what God SHOULD do, have delusions of grandeur.
Delusions of grandeur contradict sincere, chronic, self-deprecation.
Contradictions exist only in the mind, and require a wrong premise.
Find your wrong premise.

This is what you should think, Gary:
All Christians who go to heaven, go by God's grace.
This is why the liar or thief may gain admittance ...
... but Sinclair Lewis' upstanding George Babbitt may be denied.

The way I figure it, this Christian logic means that true intent (TI) is critical for admittance.
This means that true Christian intent that causes appropriate Christian actions will pass through the Pearly Gates.

Reference Mary Magdalene.