The Philosophy Now Forum

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 7:44 pm Walker never gets preggo.

Non-sequitur. Walker is a man, he am.

However, you really don't sound like one, do you.
Perhaps eunuch? Child?



Of course, just kidding ...
I'm only speaking of EQ, aka EI.
and you're speaking of only what you know.

Big Picture ...
In the big picture reality of changing world demographics ...

Who convinced women in the West, to not have babies?
How did that concept enter consciousness, when women are designed to have babies?

You could even say that in the Big Picture, species propagation is the purpose of the individual.
Of course, mindful attention to the big picture makes this unforgettable, which is different from something that needs to be remembered.

All the rest is just gravy, as FDP knows, however the intelligence to know what gravy can mean, does not make one an advocate of any particular meaning.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:51 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

No, I’m clarifying the issue.

If you are going to continually condemn people for aborting unwanted fetuses... yet you agree that the fetus invasion plan is ignorant and that humans have been dealing with this for 'decades' ... you should at least miraculously suggest some never-before-thought-of immediate alternative OR finally acknowledge that there isn't one. The reason you do neither is because you are exploiting this ongoing issue as a payoff for you/your identity/ego. I wonder if that qualifies as 'evil'?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 5:57 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:51 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

No, I’m clarifying the issue.

If you are going to continually condemn people for unwanted pregnancies ...

Obviously, unwanted pregnancies stand a higher probability of producing unwanted children who essentially become wards of the state. This is worthy of criticism in this information age.

You're doing everything you can to not discuss this root problem,
to change the root problem
and to foist your change upon the unsuspecting.

So what's the reason for that?
God only knows why.
Women, I suppose.
Condemns on the brain.
Doesn't matter.

The root problem is unwanted pregnancies.

Here, rather than the go-to, incessant whining about what other people think, I'll get you started for your full report, to find out what you think. Don't worry, I won't be so petty as to peck over it. This is the time to bring your Big Picture Powers into play. Since you have yet to find an idea other than projecting what you think is the root and then telling me that's what I think ... this makes it easy for you. It's a generous courtesy to help you with your journey towards truth, which begins with a first step.

Begin with this theme, then let some voices (viewpoints) state their position, followed by you stating your position as the solo, move on to an interesting "what if," situation for the theme to take action, then let those viewpoints improvise with implications over that actionable solution." Do it all yourself, even voicing the other viewpoints. And don't call all the other viewpoints monsters.

This manly, organized theme is for your constructive participation and application of the jazzy template, since order and organizing has been obviously unbalanced by feminine proclivities that can't haul ass off the critic couch:


In the Key of Unwanted Pregnancy ...
There's a young girl. She mostly gets ignored in class, what with the teacher trying to keep some kind of order. She never really grasped the fundamentals in school so she has never discovered the childhood joy of reading that opens up doors to worlds beyond her shabby room. She knows that uncle of her's doesn't mean good and she avoids him. Weekends are self-preservation time because no one prepares her food, there is no food, (mamma is often sick with something and has to stay in bed a lot), and when the party is at her place no one wants to see a kid around. It's a tough neighborhood and she's really not cut out for it so she has no friends, her dolls are okay to talk to but ... she knows how to get a real baby of her own, and she thinks that would make her happy, not so lonely. She wants a baby ... but if mamma finds out, ouch. She's not pregnant yet, but that's not a problem.

What to do, what to do.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 5:57 pm If you are going to continually condemn people for aborting unwanted fetuses...

That barbaric practice is not the root problem.

The root problem is unwanted pregnancies.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 5:57 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:51 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

No, I’m clarifying the issue.

If you are going to continually condemn people for aborting unwanted fetuses... yet you agree that the fetus invasion plan is ignorant and that humans have been dealing with this for 'decades' ... you should at least miraculously suggest some never-before-thought-of immediate alternative OR finally acknowledge that there isn't one. The reason you do neither is because you are exploiting this ongoing issue as a payoff for you/your identity/ego. I wonder if that qualifies as 'evil'?

Perish the thought.

Here’s another angle, which you’ll find rather interesting, and more along the lines of your premise that caring for those who haven’t been aborted, and are unwanted, is the root issue. It’s not the root issue because that won’t stop the unwanted pregnancies.*

Charitable NGO’s offer free sonograms to pregnant women who are undecided about becoming a mother, and are contemplating abortion.

The purpose is to offer a woman an informed choice.
The tactic is let the pregnant woman see and hear what’s in there.

In their solicitations for contributions to make this free service available, a lot of women reportedly decide to deliver.

The service also offers opportunities to help the mother after delivery … but they’re kinda vague about all that and I never bothered to check into it, since I’m not one of those condemning activists, and folks are free by law to kill off their bloodline if that’s their wont, before the child is ejected from the birth canal.

In other words, the approach is to make the unwanted, wanted.
A transformation of mind back to a natural state of apprehension, if you will.


*When the state becomes the total guardian, unwanted pregnancies will be promoted by the state ... planting the seeds for votes early, lots of votes, and the indoctrination for how to determine how to vote, can begin as soon as the little fetus is born.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 5:57 pm... never-before-thought-of immediate alternative ...

I think that the objective approach of modern sonograms coupled with counseling, applied before abortion, can transform unwanted into wanted and thus solve the problem of who will care for the little fetus, but of course not for everyone. It's one way to make the unwanted, wanted. It was never thought of before sonograms, which I suppose have been around awhile, but not for long in the Big Picture view of all humanity that has ever been which when you think about it, makes them at least ... recently-thought-of-immediate-alternative ... and life-loving to boot.

However, it still doesn't get to the root. The root of unwanted pregnancy, is pregnancy.

Reports are that Planned Parenthood clinics are just abortion mills, without counseling. Women go there for one purpose only. Any "planning" is implicit as delay, permanent for the fetus and maybe for the woman.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:41 pm
However, it still doesn't get to the root. The root of unwanted pregnancy, is pregnancy.

Reports are that Planned Parenthood clinics are just abortion mills, without counseling. Women go there for one purpose only. Any "planning" is implicit as delay, permanent for the fetus and maybe for the woman.

False reports. You won't believe being told this, so look up for yourself. Planned Parenthood clinics have sites where you can see the full range of women's health services they offer.

THINK! Planned Parenthood goes back to ~WW I when the issues were birth control and reproductive education (both illegal at the time).

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:58 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:41 pm
However, it still doesn't get to the root. The root of unwanted pregnancy, is pregnancy.

Reports are that Planned Parenthood clinics are just abortion mills, without counseling. Women go there for one purpose only. Any "planning" is implicit as delay, permanent for the fetus and maybe for the woman.

False reports. You won't believe being told this, so look up for yourself. Planned Parenthood clinics have sites where you can see the full range of women's health services they offer.

THINK! Planned Parenthood goes back to ~WW I when the issues were birth control and reproductive education (both illegal at the time).

Well that's good to know. Never been to one, but that's a selling point the sonogram folks use to gather donations.

The reports I read were from ex-employee nurses, but you know how that goes. Anyone can say anything. However, PP does churn out a lot of abortions. Do the rich ladies go to PP?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:11 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 5:57 pm If you are going to continually condemn people for aborting unwanted fetuses.../...you are exploiting this ongoing issue as a payoff for you/your identity/ego.

Obviously, unwanted pregnancies stand a higher probability of producing unwanted children who essentially become wards of the state. This is worthy of criticism in this information age.

So, you're just going to criticize WOMEN who are faced with dealing with it, although it's a natural result of biology... and that SERVES YOU how?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:11 pm You're doing everything you can to not discuss this root problem,
to change the root problem

I don't care what you want to define as the 'root problem'. Pull your head out and stop condemning people for a natural process when there's no simple solution. Should everyone be sterilized? Should men's dicks be cut off? What's the solution? How about you STFU in the meantime?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:11 pmSo what's the reason for that?
God only knows why.
Women, I suppose.
[something nonsensical]
Doesn't matter.

Talk to yourself.

I'm not reading the rest of what you're unloading because I think you're being too stupid to listen to. You just want to condemn women and pretend that you care about babies. These self-righteous charades that you and I.C. carry on are ridiculous, superficial, and transparent! And you don't seem to care or realize because you have so much old gravy (with no meat) in your brains.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:03 pm So, you're just going to criticize WOMEN who are faced with dealing with it, although it's a natural result of biology... and that SERVES YOU how?

I'm not criticizing women.
You're just stuck on condemns.
(Make sure they don't get stuck on you.)

If you will only take the time to read all the words carefully crafted and edited out of generosity, to help you understand the truth, to open to the big picture, you will understand ... and then you will know, and I think that time you took will become precious to you.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:58 pmso look up for yourself.

Naw, no need. I hear integrity, I'm okay with hoping you're right.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:09 pm If you will only take the time to read all the words carefully crafted and edited out of generosity, to help you understand the truth, to open to the big picture, you will understand ... and then you will know, and I think that time you took will become precious to you.

Precious laughter.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:09 pm ...

If you actually want me to read what you write, you need to get to the point and not expect me to meander down the nonsensical and disturbed pathways that you like to create and follow... because I'm not going to invest my energy in any of that. You're the only one who cares about it if you can't make it more relevant AND interesting to anyone who isn't a follower and doesn't have soupy gravy for brains.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:03 pm
The reports I read were from ex-employee nurses, but you know how that goes. Anyone can say anything. However, PP does churn out a lot of abortions. Do the rich ladies go to PP?

A) They DO abortions (nowadays). But they do all that other stuff too.

B) Rich ladies, let's discuss that.
1) Back when I was young, pre Roe vs Wade days, in MY subculture (not rich; middle class) , understood that it was the boys responsibility to pay for a MEDICAL abortion (a doctor willing to schedule a D&C without a negative pregnancy test). Pricey, about half a year's tuition at an ivy league college. Read the BOOK (not the movie) To Find a Man
2) If too publicly known, the RICH woman took a flight to Sweden (etc.)
3) NOW (abortion again illegal in many states) the rich woman travels to a different state.