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Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 5:55 pm
by Phil8659
accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 5:53 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:09 pm
Look on the bright side.
Juries are increasingly filled with Muslims, colored people and "wokies".
Do you really want them rather than good English judges?
We already know that wokies are the most racist wankers around today. It's why they are constantly deflecting and virtue-signalling. No need to remind us.
And "US" are the frozen of Sod!
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 5:59 pm
by Phil8659
Yup real tv dinner intellectuals here.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:02 pm
by Maia
RickLewis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:52 am
It's pretty astonishing. When I first saw a mention of this proposal about a month ago, I assumed it was fake news. Apparently not. But as your posting suggests, this is not some small cost-saving reform. The right to be tried by a jury of one's peers is one of the main foundations of the UK legal system.
I feel a sense of outrage, but so what? I think what we need are reasons and arguments, not emotions. What are the main arguments for retaining jury trials? What are the main arguments for abolishing them (except for very serious cases)?
I think the main argument for retaining them is that they offer protection against a compromised judiciary, taking its orders from a corrupt regime. Not a perfect protection, but certainly better than nothing.
The main argument for abolishing them is the one the government have used, namely, efficiency. Also, juries can very occasionally go completely off the rails. There was apparently a case where a jury used a ouija board to contact a murder victim, for example, which, in my opinion, shows initiative, more than anything else.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:09 pm
by Phil8659
Maia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:02 pm
RickLewis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:52 am
Ia ouija board to contact a murder victim, for example, which, in my opinion, shows initiative, more than anything else.
LMAO.
So, you are saying, that there a a whole lot of defective microwave ovens in England?
Imagine that. A microwave hairdo fad. Now there is a real explanation for the BBC along with British television.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2025 10:25 am
by accelafine
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:09 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:02 pm
RickLewis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:52 am
Ia ouija board to contact a murder victim, for example, which, in my opinion, shows initiative, more than anything else.
LMAO.
So, you are saying, that there a a whole lot of defective microwave ovens in England?
Imagine that. A microwave hairdo fad. Now there is a real explanation for the BBC along with British television.
They say that if you remove your head after washing your hair and put it in the microwave on 'high' it dries the hair all nice and crispy.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2025 12:18 am
by Phil8659
accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 30, 2025 10:25 am
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:09 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:02 pm
LMAO.
So, you are saying, that there a a whole lot of defective microwave ovens in England?
Imagine that. A microwave hairdo fad. Now there is a real explanation for the BBC along with British television.
They say that if you remove your head after washing your hair and put it in the microwave on 'high' it dries the hair all nice and crispy.
Ouch! you let the timer go way too long!
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 2:46 pm
by RickLewis
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:09 pm
Look on the bright side.
Juries are increasingly filled with Muslims, colored people and "wokies".
Do you really want them rather than good English judges?
I think a good enhancement of the current jury selection procedure would be a short questionnaire. If the respondent started drivelling on about "Muslims, colored people and wokies" then they would be excused from any jury obligations both then and in the future.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:13 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Apparently the overlooked difference in play here is that juries don't ever provide any reasoning for their decisions which are covered by secrecy rules, but if magistrates or judges issue a verdict, they always provide the reasons. It seems this means that every case will be open for appeal because of this, whereas for jury trials only a minority are.
I have sat on two criminal juries. In both cases the defendants were blatantly not guilt and the accusers were actually attempting to cover up some misdemeanour of their own. In both cases we nevertheless had to sit through a debate about whether the police would prosecute the guy if he wasn't guilty of something or other.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:26 pm
by Alexiev
F. Lee Bailey, the famous U.S. defense attorney, got his start in the legal profession in the military. MIlitary trials involve a triumvirate of judges, all officers. In the book I read, Bailey claimed the verdicts were more reasonable and evidence-based in the military than in civilian jury trials, because the judges were smarter and better educated than the jurors. Of course there are other considerations.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:27 pm
by phyllo
RickLewis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 2:46 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:09 pm
Look on the bright side.
Juries are increasingly filled with Muslims, colored people and "wokies".
Do you really want them rather than good English judges?
I think a good enhancement of the current jury selection procedure would be a short questionnaire. If the respondent started drivelling on about "Muslims, colored people and wokies" then they would be excused from any jury obligations both then and in the future.
Hmm, not sure what effect that would have other than to confirm that 'Muslims, colored people and "wokies"' are gaining ever more control and excluding others.
A great replacement, let's say,
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:30 pm
by Phil8659
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:27 pm
RickLewis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 2:46 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:09 pm
Look on the bright side.
Juries are increasingly filled with Muslims, colored people and "wokies".
Do you really want them rather than good English judges?
I think a good enhancement of the current jury selection procedure would be a short questionnaire. If the respondent started drivelling on about "Muslims, colored people and wokies" then they would be excused from any jury obligations both then and in the future.
Hmm, not sure what effect that would have other than to confirm that 'Muslims, colored people and "wokies"' are gaining ever more control and excluding others.
A great replacement, let's say,
I think all of you are full of shit about jury selection. How can a government ask any jury to make judgments, when the governments own educational system can not even teach them judgment, in fact, it will refuse to teach children judgment.
That is why I do not vote, nor do I sit on a jury. It is a farce.
No fool is another's peer.
A house divided against itself will not, can not stand. Nomocracy, not hypocrisy.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 8:27 pm
by accelafine
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:27 pm
RickLewis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 2:46 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:09 pm
Look on the bright side.
Juries are increasingly filled with Muslims, colored people and "wokies".
Do you really want them rather than good English judges?
I think a good enhancement of the current jury selection procedure would be a short questionnaire. If the respondent started drivelling on about "Muslims, colored people and wokies" then they would be excused from any jury obligations both then and in the future.
Hmm, not sure what effect that would have other than to confirm that 'Muslims, colored people and "wokies"' are gaining ever more control and excluding others.
A great replacement, let's say,
Women who have been raped are known for getting fair treatment in muslim countries, with the legal system coming down hard on the rapists. How dare you suggest that muslims are not supportive of women's rights!
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 8:46 pm
by Phil8659
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 8:27 pm
Women who have been raped are known for getting fair treatment in muslim countries, with the legal system coming down hard on the rapists. How dare you suggest that muslims are not supportive of women's rights!
Just how much acid did you take?
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 12:19 am
by RickLewis
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:27 pm
Hmm, not sure what effect that would have other than to confirm that 'Muslims, colored people and "wokies"' are gaining ever more control and excluding others.
A great replacement, let's say,
Oh I see, you were being serious? I thought you were joking. Strewth.
Re: UK to scrap jury trials
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 12:39 am
by accelafine
Is that 'reverse psychology', or 'reverse reverse' psychology? 'Reverse reverse reverse....?? OMG. I feel faint...