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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:31 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:27 am
And those goal posts of yours just fuck off over the horizon while the lie lives on.

So you don't think it's possible for the BBC to update their website in the hour or so since Elon Musk posted that?

I have a feeling that we haven't heard the last of this story.

Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

Indeed. The class system in England is vile. Shame the middle-class wokie do-gooders don't seem remotely interested in changing that ingrained discrimination based around how you happen to speak and what school you went to. The 'upper classes' are vile, fox-murdering *****. I wonder if flashy goes a hunting. Tally ho and all that.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:31 am

So you don't think it's possible for the BBC to update their website in the hour or so since Elon Musk posted that?

I have a feeling that we haven't heard the last of this story.

Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

That statistic is absurd. Prefacing such an obviously made up number with "conservative estimate" just makes you look like a propagandist's puppet.

Again, you only care when the perpetrator matches your racial preferences for the villain. You didn't worry about the Beastie House because that was all white on white action.

And you don't care about the fact that what happened in Rotherham is normal everywhere there is poverty, nothing to do all day, and children who bunk off school but don't want to go home. It is overlooked by cops and social workers all the time and is the usual way that pimps recruit their next round of prostitutes and always has been. If it isn't being done to a white girl by a brown man, you have no propaganda stake, so you don't want to know.

Classic whataboutism. Middle-class wokies just ooze charm and empathy.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:04 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am
Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

That statistic is absurd. Prefacing such an obviously made up number with "conservative estimate" just makes you look like a propagandist's puppet.

Again, you only care when the perpetrator matches your racial preferences for the villain. You didn't worry about the Beastie House because that was all white on white action.

And you don't care about the fact that what happened in Rotherham is normal everywhere there is poverty, nothing to do all day, and children who bunk off school but don't want to go home. It is overlooked by cops and social workers all the time and is the usual way that pimps recruit their next round of prostitutes and always has been. If it isn't being done to a white girl by a brown man, you have no propaganda stake, so you don't want to know.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly do you think Maia could know if a man was 'brown' or 'white'?

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:07 am Classic whataboutism.

No, it isn’t.

It takes us to the heart of the real issue here; what are the lessons that we, as builders of a just society, should be taking from this incident? Might there be factions which, for their own selfish reasons, wish us to learn the wrong lessons? How do we protect each other from malign interest groups?

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:01 am Indeed. The class system in England is vile. Shame the middle-class wokie do-gooders don't seem remotely interested in changing that ingrained discrimination based around how you happen to speak and what school you went to. The 'upper classes' are vile, fox-murdering *****. I wonder if flashy goes a hunting. Tally ho and all that.

The left wing elite claim to speak on behalf of the working classes, but are not the slightest bit interested in what working class people actually want. In fact, they're horrified by it, when they happen to hear it, because it goes against their entire agenda.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:04 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am
Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

That statistic is absurd. Prefacing such an obviously made up number with "conservative estimate" just makes you look like a propagandist's puppet.

Again, you only care when the perpetrator matches your racial preferences for the villain. You didn't worry about the Beastie House because that was all white on white action.

And you don't care about the fact that what happened in Rotherham is normal everywhere there is poverty, nothing to do all day, and children who bunk off school but don't want to go home. It is overlooked by cops and social workers all the time and is the usual way that pimps recruit their next round of prostitutes and always has been. If it isn't being done to a white girl by a brown man, you have no propaganda stake, so you don't want to know.

I asked Grok:

+++Please estimate how many white, underage girls have been raped and trafficked by Pakistani/Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, in total, up to the present.+++

The answer was quite long, delving into cases and so on, but this was the last paragraph:

+++My Estimate: 100,000 - 250,000 total victims (conservative to upper-bound)Low End (~100k): Sum major cases (7k) ×10 (underreporting) + annual recorded (2k/year ×30yrs ×0.5 Pakistani-specific) + unexposed towns (~50 towns × avg 300).
High End (250k): Matches 2015 Pearson extrapolation (Rotherham rate × UK) & some analysts; aligns w/ 500k annual CSA × subset.
Why This Range? Dozens of towns (map: 50+); consistent pattern 1990s-present; recent taskforce (550 arrests/Yr); Casey: "tip of iceberg," 1,000+ cold cases review. No official total, but data points here.
fullfact.org +1
This is a national scandal of historic proportions, with ~ tens of thousands known but likely 100k+ actual white underage girls raped/trafficked. Full national inquiry needed (recommended 2025).+++

In other words, Grok says 250,000 as an upper estimate, which, while I admit is not precisely how I put it, I think I was still pretty spot on to even mention that figure. Personally, I suspect it's far higher.

I asked Gemini wtf "2015 Pearson extrapolation (Rotherham rate × UK)" meant

Gemini wrote:The claim regarding a "2015 Pearson extrapolation (Rotherham rate × UK)" is a reference to a discredited calculation, mentioned in 2018 by Lord Pearson of Rannoch, that attempted to extrapolate the number of child sexual exploitation (CSE) victims in the UK based on the rates found in Rotherham

No amount of lazy bullshit AI slop you throw around is going to get you anywhere

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:31 am

So you don't think it's possible for the BBC to update their website in the hour or so since Elon Musk posted that?

I have a feeling that we haven't heard the last of this story.

Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

Working‑class identifiers such as Maia are more likely to hold anti‑immigration attitudes.

People in the UK hold more negative views about migrants or people of Pakistani origin than many other origin groups.

Maia's usage of AI (see her previous quote from Grok) reflects her confirmation bias. Maia selects her question to AI from her initial preconceptions. So her answers from Grok are not comparisons.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:08 pm I asked Gemini wtf "2015 Pearson extrapolation (Rotherham rate × UK)" meant

Gemini wrote:The claim regarding a "2015 Pearson extrapolation (Rotherham rate × UK)" is a reference to a discredited calculation, mentioned in 2018 by Lord Pearson of Rannoch, that attempted to extrapolate the number of child sexual exploitation (CSE) victims in the UK based on the rates found in Rotherham

No amount of lazy bullshit AI slop you throw around is going to get you anywhere

Well, as I said, it used a whole load of cases, with up to date figures. But if that's the best you've got, so be it.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:09 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am
Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

Working‑class identifiers such as Maia are more likely to hold anti‑immigration attitudes.

People in the UK hold more negative views about migrants or people of Pakistani origin than many other origin groups.

Maia just provided a "stat" from the Mechahitler AI that just assumes appropos of nothing at all that 50% of child sexual exploitation in the UK must be Pakistani in origin. She is all in.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:09 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:44 am
Obviously we're going to hear a lot about it. Just as we will obviously not be hearing anything about the racially aggravated rape in Walsall because that was committed by one of your racist EDL friends so you wouldn't want to know about that.

You are here to do propaganda that supports your story about white people being victims of crimes by brown ones and each time you get the opportunity, you will revel in it. You'll be on this story for ages, Musk will be terribly pleased.

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

Working‑class identifiers such as Maia are more likely to hold anti‑immigration attitudes.

People in the UK hold more negative views about migrants or people of Pakistani origin than many other origin groups.

I think I would probably count as lower middle class, since both my parents are teachers.

Working class people are indeed more likely to be anti-immigrant, since they have to bear the brunt of immigration. Posh lefties are usually insulated from things like rape gangs, violence, having their jobs given to cheap foreign labour, and so on.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:18 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:09 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:53 am

It's interesting that you, and indeed the media, should concentrate on that one incident, while ignoring the quarter of a million (at a conservative estimate) underage white girls raped and trafficked by mainly Pakistani gangs. Still, most of those were working class, so who cares?

Working‑class identifiers such as Maia are more likely to hold anti‑immigration attitudes.

People in the UK hold more negative views about migrants or people of Pakistani origin than many other origin groups.

I think I would probably count as lower middle class, since both my parents are teachers.

Working class people are indeed more likely to be anti-immigrant, since they have to bear the brunt of immigration. Posh lefties are usually insulated from things like rape gangs, violence, having their jobs given to cheap foreign labour, and so on.

Officially since you are a health care assistant you are working class. If you also happened to have teacher or nurse qualification then you would be classed as lower middle class. Parental qualifications don't count.

As working class you could be very well informed , wise, beautiful and good; however none of those counts towards official classification.
As working class living in a working class neighbourhood you are more likley to be adversely affected by immigration than higher social classes. E.g more competition for jobs among working class people. Whereas higher social classes benefit from competition for manual jobs.
Maia, you need to look at the specific living conditions of the girl victims of grooming gangs. Those girls were not simply working class----they were unprotected by the people who should have been caring for them, and by the police who were guilty of excessive political correctness. I doubt not that a daughter of your own would be sufficiently protected against predatory men.

To protect orphans and other young girls against bad men we don't need to blame Muslims or brown -skinned immigrants! What we need is to look at the causes of those crimes and pay good tax money to protect young girls in future.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:27 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:18 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:09 pm

Working‑class identifiers such as Maia are more likely to hold anti‑immigration attitudes.

People in the UK hold more negative views about migrants or people of Pakistani origin than many other origin groups.

I think I would probably count as lower middle class, since both my parents are teachers.

Working class people are indeed more likely to be anti-immigrant, since they have to bear the brunt of immigration. Posh lefties are usually insulated from things like rape gangs, violence, having their jobs given to cheap foreign labour, and so on.

Officially since you are a health care assistant you are working class. If you also happened to have teacher or nurse qualification then you would be classed as lower middle class. Parental qualifications don't count.

As working class you could be very well informed , wise, beautiful and good; however none of those counts towards official classification.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. I was talking more about my family background and the sort of attitudes that this might have engendered in me.