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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him. The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem. The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him. Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me. I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

I think it's a good question, Gary, even though both (God and Satan) are ideas that are imagined in many different ways by people who hold such superstitions.

Women and children are also often abused by supposed 'men of God'. Such men will claim that their affiliation with God can redeem them from their affiliation with Satan, all while they claim that non-believers are condemned simply for not believing or participating in such a contrived belief system.

If someone claims to be aligned with 'God' while fighting against 'Satan', it appears (to me) that the constant threat of evil is a requirement of that belief/story and therefore it must be maintained alongside the belief in god. Both ideas are coming from the same place, and human beings are molding the ideas for their own purposes.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him. The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem. The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him. Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me. I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

It's your decision, Gary. If it helps you to live a good life if you think of "the God of the Bible" as Satan, then do so.

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature.
Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him. The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem. The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him. Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me. I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

The Bible is a story. Treat it as such. Interpret it as you will. That is your right.
Beware those who would be seriously offended by criticism. Their lives and identity depend on it, so might yours.
Good v Evil. Some like it that way. Simple Either/Or labelling of humans. With us or against us.
Over-simplification negates the wonder of diverse humans. Black and white thinking. In type.
The Bible. Never out of print.
Heaven or Hell. Mental concepts or states of mind, open for all. Well, maybe...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him.

1. Once more, 'God' is not a 'he'. Never could have been, never is, and never will be. When will you adult human beings 'grow up' and recognise and accept this irrefutable Fact?

2. God does not drown people, sets plagues upon you people, tells you to commit genocide, nor 'pulls legs'

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem.

'The world' is obviously not full of misery and strife, at all. So, 'we' can send that Truly False and distorted belief to where it belongs.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him.

Once again "Gary childress" you could not be any more Wrong and Incorrect, here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me.

And, you appear to, still, not yet realize the very reasons why 'that' does not make absolutely any sense at all, to you, right?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

Does your 'satan' have a penis, as well? Or, does 'satan' have a vagina, or something else entirely?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him. The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem. The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him. Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me. I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

It's your decision, Gary. If it helps you to live a good life if you think of "the God of the Bible" as Satan, then do so.

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature. [/quote]

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Well, that would be just absurd. One can not be said to be on the same side as his enemy. In this case, pursuant to definitions 2.b and 7.3 in christian statutes 'Satan' is indeed not God and, in fact, 'Satan' depends on a meaning structure in which God is already understood as the antithesis. That is, you can't tryda switch shit around by blending gnostic ideas of fake Christian gods below the real god/divinity etc. If there is a 'Satan' in your model, he's the bad guy, and God is the good guy. It's a legit old school zarathustrean monotheistic split of powers of light and dark, good and evil, all that jazz.

HOWEVER, this antithesis can't be considered when examining the ethical circumstances of the fact that while God isn't the bad guy he permits the bad guy, is like a boss to em... brought em off the streets and made em what he is. Basically, he's a hitman for the divine mafia. The Ice Man... or Fire Man, rather.

The implications of this permission and employment brings the telelological design, means, and ends into question. We submit as evidence also the defendant's (God's) omnipotence and omniscience and enter it into the case files. We ask that these be counted as aggravating factors.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:43 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:40 pm I mean, he drowns people, sets plagues upon them, tells them to commit genocide, pulls Abraham's leg about sacrificing his own son just to "test" him. The world is full of misery and strife, especially the area around the "sacred" city of Jerusalem. The "God" of the Bible punishes you and vanquishes you to Hell to burn with Satan and Satan tries to win your favor through tempting bribes but doesn't punish if you don't take them or don't worship him. Satan goes out of his way to try to win your favor. God judges and throws you in Hell if you don't please him.

None of that makes any sense to me. I wonder if the God of the Bible is actually Satan?

It's your decision, Gary. If it helps you to live a good life if you think of "the God of the Bible" as Satan, then do so.

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature.

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?
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Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:06 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:43 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am
It's your decision, Gary. If it helps you to live a good life if you think of "the God of the Bible" as Satan, then do so.

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature.

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.
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So through politics you human beings can have control over 'satan', itself, right?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:25 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:06 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:43 am

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature.

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.

So through politics you human beings can have control over 'satan', itself, right?
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'Satan' is a fanciful personification of the tricks that are played by men and nature. Satan is n0t a self.

Politics are how we legislate for policing, science, technology, education, and forward planning. We need all of those so we are less likely to be tricked into wrong behaviour.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:37 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:25 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:06 pm

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example


How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?


But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.

So through politics you human beings can have control over 'satan', itself, right?

'Satan' is a fanciful personification of the tricks that are played by men and nature. Satan is n0t a self.

Politics are how we legislate for policing, science, technology, education, and forward planning. We need all of those so we are less likely to be tricked into wrong behaviour.
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1. you do not need those things at all.

2. Through those things you adult human beings are tricking, fooling, and deceiving "yourselves". In other words, you are doing the devil's work, itself.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:25 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:06 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:43 am

I'd advise you however to consider thinking of God as not All-powerful. God cannot control nature.

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am Insofar as Satan stands for the trickster who tricks men into ignorance and depravity we can control Satan

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am We do so by right politics and right personal lives.

But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.

So through politics you human beings can have control over 'satan', itself, right?
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I think so, because some political parties are better at providing quality education for all. Liberal education ,especially in the arts, is an enormous help when other people try to trick us.

I did also mention legal help when someone has tricked you out of your rights.

But not every wrong can be righted. Some injustices we have to endure, and if we can do so without attributing blame and especially without allowing it to spoil our contentment and happiness, that is good.

I am not opposed to righteous anger if you can make a difference in the world.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:25 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:06 pm

So, it is said that God created the whole Universe, however you want to claim, here, that God does not even have power over a gentle breeze, for example


How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?


But, if you have already been tricked, fooled, and/or deceived, then how can you, then, have control over it/them?

Certainly I have been tricked by Satan; I am human. One tries to be better than one was wherever one can. Some bad decisions have no remedy and one has to endure them.

How could the older male gendered ones of the human species have control over the one/s who trick and deceive them?

Politics mostly. Preferably diplomatic politics. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to pay lawyers. The remedy for that is clearly to nationalise legal aid.

So through politics you human beings can have control over 'satan', itself, right?

I think so, because some political parties are better at providing quality education for all. Liberal education ,especially in the arts, is an enormous help when other people try to trick us.[/quote][/quote]

So, it appears that you believe that people in the so-called 'arts' can not be tricked nor deceived, right?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:10 pm I did also mention legal help when someone has tricked you out of your rights.

Which is very superficial.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:10 pm But not every wrong can be righted. Some injustices we have to endure, and if we can do so without attributing blame and especially without allowing it to spoil our contentment and happiness, that is good.

If you, really, want to believe that you can never right some of the Wrong that you do, and that you 'have to endure', then okay. But, what 'we' have, here, exactly, is another prime example of how these people would 'try' absolutely any thing to 'try to' justify their own and others Wrong doings.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:10 pm I am not opposed to righteous anger if you can make a difference in the world.

I suggest you human beings seek to make a 'unity' instead of a 'difference'. As it is your 'differences', and your different beliefs that you attempt to argue and fight for, and o we, which is what is causing and creating the continual destruction of 'the world' in which you all live in.