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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:14 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:25 am Words should express ideas, not originate them.

Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:14 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:25 am Words should express ideas, not originate them.

Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

And that also is an expressed idea, origin unknown except as an idea.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:23 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:14 pm

Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

And that also is an expressed idea, origin unknown except as an idea.

Unknown is a distinct idea, it is the limits of the known.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 8:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:23 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:13 am

And that also is an expressed idea, origin unknown except as an idea.

Unknown is a distinct idea, it is the limits of the known.

Known ideas have no origin. Therefore, the known know nothing.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:25 am Words should express ideas, not originate them.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:08 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 8:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:23 am

Unknown is a distinct idea, it is the limits of the known.

Known ideas have no origin. Therefore, the known know nothing.

Potentiality is an everpresent origin of things thus an ever present cause. You claim ideas have no origin and yet their potentiality is the origin.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:36 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:25 am Words should express ideas, not originate them.

All words are qualifications and/or limitations.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:08 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 8:15 am

Known ideas have no origin. Therefore, the known know nothing.

Potentiality is an everpresent origin of things thus an ever present cause. You claim ideas have no origin and yet their potentiality is the origin.

Potentiality is an idea.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:25 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:08 am

Potentiality is an everpresent origin of things thus an ever present cause. You claim ideas have no origin and yet their potentiality is the origin.

Potentiality is an idea.

The unfolding now is everpresent potentiality as cause where the effect is actuality.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:59 am Age wrote: “ However, although I do not like to assume absolutely any thing, for the reasons I keep explaining, here, I will 'now' presume that if I do have 'an idea' of 'what', exactly, originates ideas that you then would be 'somewhat' interested in hearing it. “

Assumptions are the mummy of all fuck ups anyway.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:25 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:21 am
Potentiality is an idea.

The unfolding now is everpresent potentiality as cause where the effect is actuality.

I have no idea about that unless I imagine I have.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 12:03 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:25 am

The unfolding now is everpresent potentiality as cause where the effect is actuality.

I have no idea about that unless I imagine I have.

All thoughts of temporal phenomena are past and future "nows". The now is not only here but in the past and future.