The Philosophy Discussion Forum

Janoah wrote: ↑Mon Sep 01, 2025 11:52 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:27 pm
If there is a God, then I think God built the giant aquarium we live in and let's things run on their own.

I proceed from that, the World is not created, but eternal.
Without matter there is no time, therefore, to say “before the creation of matter” is absurd; there cannot be “before” without a time dimension.
The greatest Jewish authority, Maimonides, also proceeds from this assumption when proving the existence of God.
And the central Muslim philosopher and physician Avicenna also proceeds from the eternity of the World.

Funny, people find "proofs" of God in an eternal universe, and they find "proofs" of God in a finite universe. The universe is either one or the other but not both at the same time. Sounds to me like some humans just want there to be a God who personally watches over them, and they'll shoehorn that belief into whatever they happen to think the universe is. Good luck. Doesn't mean an earthquake won't come along and kill you just as readily as it will an unbeliever.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 12:06 am Sounds to me like some humans just want there to be a God who personally watches over them,

People invent idols for themselves so that they have something to trust. And what, by the way, are you inclined to trust?

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:10 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 12:06 am Sounds to me like some humans just want there to be a God who personally watches over them,

People invent idols for themselves so that they have something to trust. And what, by the way, are you inclined to trust?

In this world, the only one I trust is my mom. Everyone else, including God, has proven unworthy of trusting.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:58 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:10 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 12:06 am Sounds to me like some humans just want there to be a God who personally watches over them,

People invent idols for themselves so that they have something to trust. And what, by the way, are you inclined to trust?

In this world, the only one I trust is my mom. Everyone else, including God, has proven unworthy of trusting.

So, it looks like you are a Jewish son!

So, your God is your mother, because God is the one you believe in.
Congratulations, good choice!

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:01 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:58 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:10 pm

People invent idols for themselves so that they have something to trust. And what, by the way, are you inclined to trust?

In this world, the only one I trust is my mom. Everyone else, including God, has proven unworthy of trusting.

So, it looks like you are a Jewish son!

So, your God is your mother, because God is the one you believe in.
Congratulations, good choice!

Yeah, right.

The question is, are there any here who agree with the concept of One God as the One Law of Nature?
Are there any here who disagree with this concept, and why?
Apparently, this is the only concept that does not violate law of nature.

the nature of what?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 9:23 pm the nature of what?

Nature is the world in its entirety.
(We are not talking here about specific cases, such as geology or 'romantic nature'.)

nature in its entirety is that which is beyond human comprehension

what makes you think it has a law?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 3:39 am nature in its entirety is that which is beyond human comprehension

what makes you think it has a law?

-Imp

It's beyond his comprehension as well, except he believes in a just and righteous God. Because he believes in a just and righteous God, he believes God runs an orderly universe. That means that he doesn't need to lift a finger or utter a single word of protest over what Netanyahu is doing and has done. God will take care of everything in due time. So while Gazans are dying from his country's relentless attacks, everything will be fine. Just as everything will be fine if I don't protest the blatant US attack on Iran. God has it all covered.

And who am I to say that God doesn't have it all covered? I'm just a blasphemer. And blasphemers are all going to fiery hell because we deserve it.

Isn't religion a wonderful thing?

Allah willing...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 3:39 am nature in its entirety is that which is beyond human comprehension

what makes you think it has a law?

In its entirety , nothing is known,
however, you will not jump from a high roof, because you know for sure that you will fall, according to the law of nature.

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 9:53 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 3:39 am nature in its entirety is that which is beyond human comprehension

what makes you think it has a law?

In its entirety , nothing is known,
however, you will not jump from a high roof, because you know for sure that you will fall, according to the law of nature.

Oh but I would, depending on the size of the glider wings and the speed and direction of the wind...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 10:52 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 9:53 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 3:39 am nature in its entirety is that which is beyond human comprehension

what makes you think it has a law?

In its entirety , nothing is known,
however, you will not jump from a high roof, because you know for sure that you will fall, according to the law of nature.

Oh but I would, depending on the size of the glider wings and the speed and direction of the wind...

-Imp

Naturally, you won't jump, because you know that you'll naturally fall, and you are going to fly, because you know that by using the law, the regularity of nature, you can fly, in particular, with the help of wings.

aye, I understand inductively the force of gravity as part of the constant conjunction between events, habitually expected...

law? I don't see it...

-Imp