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cpuproc68 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 9:54 pm The transformation of water into ice is the most classic example of qualitative change.

It's also a quantitative change. Same mass, different volume, both objectively measurable.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:05 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:47 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:22 pm Qualitative and quantitative are concepts.

- Defining Quality drove Pirsig coo-coo, and he was a genius.
- Quantitative is a number signifying a particular amount.

Quality and quantity are eachother by the nature of distinction which they share. We know distinction primarily through thought and memory for even the ever present now of the senses are compared through memory and thought.

While quality is measured on a relative scale, quantity is measured on an absolute scale. For example, the quality of a person is based on subjective criteria, but the quantity of the person is measured in numbers, which is called objectifying a person, e.g., 36-24-36.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:28 pm It's also a quantitative change.

Of course, you are right.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:30 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:05 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:47 am
- Defining Quality drove Pirsig coo-coo, and he was a genius.
- Quantitative is a number signifying a particular amount.

Quality and quantity are eachother by the nature of distinction which they share. We know distinction primarily through thought and memory for even the ever present now of the senses are compared through memory and thought.

While quality is measured on a relative scale, quantity is measured on an absolute scale. For example, the quality of a person is based on subjective criteria, but the quantity of the person is measured in numbers, which is called objectifying a person, e.g., 36-24-36.

Last time I checked all numbers exist relative to eachother.

The number line proves number as relational.

Not absolutely. Numbers also exist in relationship to objects.
Ten fingers, base ten. Not base, continuum.

If you count every grain of sand in the Sahara, after first defining its boundaries, you will have a changeable, absolute and quantifiable number in relation to objects.

This is why if you take three apples from nature's bounty of ten you will only be eating three apples, unless you share, or try to take all of nature.

That's likely because we're mere mortals, which either has something to do with fishes and bread, or else man does not live by bread alone and has not yet begun to realize the full meaning of being a human, or even the full meaning of another's mind-portal access, and is thus limited by non-absolute qualitative boundaries that can change, such as the four minute mile. Obviously.

Naturally, this raises a variety of questions, depending on the filters of consciousness. Where oh where does one go for answers?