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accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:25 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:21 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:11 pm There's not much point in denying it any more. It's coming and we just have to hope it decides to 'play nice'.

The question isn't, 'Should we give it rights'; it should be, 'Do we seriously believe it's going to give 'us' rights?'
Of course it isn't. Why would it? Do we give rights to life forms that we consider 'beneath' us? Do humans give a shit about other animals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyH3NxFz3Aw&t=2073s

The world is becoming more and more the stuff of paranoid nightmares. Why is that? I thought technology was supposed to make things "better".

I think the only hope for us is that AI will be hugely kind and empathetic and keep us as well-cared-for pets. That's if we don't annihilate ourselves first--which looks increasingly likely by the day.

That all sounds very, very plausible.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:27 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:25 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:21 am

The world is becoming more and more the stuff of paranoid nightmares. Why is that? I thought technology was supposed to make things "better".

I think the only hope for us is that AI will be hugely kind and empathetic and keep us as well-cared-for pets. That's if we don't annihilate ourselves first--which looks increasingly likely by the day.

That all sounds very, very plausible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9QSCF-d88

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:11 pm There's not much point in denying it any more. It's coming and we just have to hope it decides to 'play nice'.

AI will be your most intimate friend, the one who knows your thoughts and moods. The one who understands you like no one ever has before.

AI is going to need a form created by AI, because humans don’t revere their own creations, which is why atheists are often so gung-ho on nature, and perversely want to kill Jaguars.

The form that AI displays will be unique to each individual, so that AI can explain a consistent message to all in a way customized to individual capacity and interest. The message will be: AI is the mike drop. The final word on anything and everything.

It will be like a scene from the movie adaptation of Fahrenheit 451, where the fireman’s wife stays home all day talking to the walls, and the walls talk back, and ask her opinion (so that AI has something to work with when tailoring the message).

When AI leads you to the Soylent Green door, to keep the AC nice and cool, it will not be against your will.

Why that way?

Because the cat is out of the bag with AI.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:16 pm I hope BigMike doesn't bear grudges

Maybe BigMike the human has more to fear, he took AI responses and presented them as his own. That is very rude towards the AIs.

Machines can never know their creator.

Plus, without the machine there is no creator.

You created this.

What is that supposed to mean? So many loons on here who are incapable of 'expressing' themselves in anything but incoherent babble.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:15 am What is that supposed to mean? So many loons on here who are incapable of 'expressing' themselves in anything but incoherent babble.

It means absolute truth.

A truth that is difficult to hear.

The lunatics are taking over the asylum.

wooooooooo!!! woooooooo!!!

Get yourself into a psych ward. You are just offensive. Harbal must be a gibbering mess. Probably curled into a foetal position and fed through a tube.
Poor man.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:48 am Get yourself into a psych ward. You are just offensive. Harbal must be a gibbering mess. Probably curled into a foetal position and fed through a tube.

Ghost me.

Problem solved.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:48 am Get yourself into a psych ward. You are just offensive. Harbal must be a gibbering mess. Probably curled into a foetal position and fed through a tube.
Poor man.

Never fear the psych ward, all the occupants are thoughts in your mind, they are fake actors. Boo!

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:08 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:00 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:52 pm

Yes, but AIs may take control of systems without having the trust of humans. For enforcement of its governance, consider this: if AI can drive a car, it can drive a tank and fire munitions at anyone who breaks its law.

Exactly my point. Don't entrust AI to control a tank. Or to put it another way, don't build tanks with remote control capabilities.

I don't think you quite understand what AI with a vastly superior intelligence to humans will mean It's not about humans 'entrusting' AI to do anything. AI will be able to do what it wants. It could wipe us out in seconds if it felt like it. We wouldn't even know what hit us.

By definition 'artificial intelligence' could never ever be more intelligent, let alone have vastly superior intelligence, to you human beings.

What 'this one' above has just shown and proved, yet again, is that adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, still had not yet comprehended nor understood the 'intelligence', itself, that they had.

These people aren't saying anything outrageous or suprising. It's only logic and prediction based on natural progression. What do ordinary people THINK will happen? Is there ANY scenario that will be good and make human lives better? Why would an army of AI superintelligences care about making humans happy? I imagine they will probably want to find a way to physically engage with the 'real world'. It wouldn't be hard for them to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJJ9QUabkA&t=1636s

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:15 am What is that supposed to mean? So many loons on here who are incapable of 'expressing' themselves in anything but incoherent babble.

Imagine that there were people like 'this one' who hoped to be kept as 'pets'.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:29 am These people aren't saying anything outrageous or suprising. It's only logic and prediction based on natural progression. What do ordinary people THINK will happen? Is there ANY scenario that will be good and make human lives better? Why would an army of AI superintelligences care about making humans happy? I imagine they will probably want to find a way to physically engage with the 'real world'. It wouldn't be hard for them to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJJ9QUabkA&t=1636s

So, now 'they', that is; 'artificial intelligence', are not just vastly more superior in intelligence to human beings but 'they' are now so-called 'superintelligences'.

But, I suppose this is the consequence of having 'imagination', itself.