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Oh, so you mean a lesson?
An incoherent statement to rest of other incoherent statements upon.
Oh, I remember.
Good riddance, fart brained banana DNABen JS wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 12:12 pmAn incoherent statement to rest of other incoherent statements upon.
Lovely.
Oh, I remember.
You're scorned.
Ol' lass using emotional reasoning.
You 're interested in retaliation, not truth.
So you let the poisons of heart lead you.
My sympathies.
I'll leave you be.
By reason.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:36 pmHow can you say there are infinite non-beliefs, from your experience, than claim we cannot experience every non-belief? If we cannot experience every non-belief we could not know if there are infinite non-beliefs or not.Ben JS wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:53 amExperience: The apprehension of an object, thought, or emotion through the senses or mind
There are infinite non-beliefs.
In order to experience a non-belief,
one must be conscious of said non-belief.
We do not experience every non-belief,
and it's expected that most lifeforms,
don't experience any non-belief.
They are absent of belief,
but do not experience this absence.
Thus, the non-belief to them is not an experience.
Non belief being an experience is an edge case.
In order to hold a belief,
one must be affected by the belief.
Thus, every held belief is experienced to some degree.
Beliefs: always experienced at least once.
Non-beliefs: 99.9% never experienced.
They are not anymore close to being equal in the degree to which one experiences them.
To compare them is very misleading.
Experience is the central driving power of the human condition, it directs and guides us. Experience occurs in many forms and degrees. The deepest experience is awareness, they are one and the same as awareness is how we interact with all internal and external things. Awareness drives us and guides us.Ben JS wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 12:07 pmOh, so you mean a lesson?
Or an illuminating experience?
Or a guiding experience?
Or a principle?
Direction? Influence? Source of inspiration?
You can define God to be whatever you like,
but know you're unnecessarily shoehorning around.
No one has to adopt or recognize this term.
Existence is - reality is - God? Needless.
No one needs god.
We can get by fine without it.
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So this is your angle.
Mental gymnastics of religious -
trying to defang that which already granted you mercy.
Unfortunately, fairy tales can't defang the truth.
Good, reasoning is quite helpful. But it has limits...the munchausseen trillemma. All reasoning occurs with infinite linear change, circularity and/or assumptions.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:09 pmBy reason.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:36 pmHow can you say there are infinite non-beliefs, from your experience, than claim we cannot experience every non-belief? If we cannot experience every non-belief we could not know if there are infinite non-beliefs or not.Ben JS wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:53 am
Experience: The apprehension of an object, thought, or emotion through the senses or mind
There are infinite non-beliefs.
In order to experience a non-belief,
one must be conscious of said non-belief.
We do not experience every non-belief,
and it's expected that most lifeforms,
don't experience any non-belief.
They are absent of belief,
but do not experience this absence.
Thus, the non-belief to them is not an experience.
Non belief being an experience is an edge case.
In order to hold a belief,
one must be affected by the belief.
Thus, every held belief is experienced to some degree.
Beliefs: always experienced at least once.
Non-beliefs: 99.9% never experienced.
They are not anymore close to being equal in the degree to which one experiences them.
To compare them is very misleading.
Sorry, I should have said common sense. Like Popper's.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:17 pmGood, reasoning is quite helpful. But it has limits...the munchausseen trillemma. All reasoning occurs with infinite linear change, circularity and/or assumptions.
So what does this show? That reason is the occurence of form, spontaneously, within the psyche of the individual and is merely a means of symbols instituting transformation. This process of transformation within the psyche is the dissolution and renewal of how we percieve and how we percieve is fundamentally what constitutes ourselves within our centers. This dissolution and renewal is a metaphorical death and resurrection...something religions have been acknowledging for thousands of years.
https://youtu.be/4qTFGmgfei4?si=ybP24DbooiwgbLNtImpenitent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 8:39 pm god is being god because god is not being a bee
being a bee is not all it's cracked up to be
neither is being a broken mirror
-Imp
Common sense is relative. What appears as common to a third world tribe differs from what appears as common to a 1st world citizen. Even in the modern world common sense is fragmented into cliques due to social media revealing different groups of perceptions among people....or I can point to the obvious and use this forum as an example.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:43 pmSorry, I should have said common sense. Like Popper's.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:17 pmGood, reasoning is quite helpful. But it has limits...the munchausseen trillemma. All reasoning occurs with infinite linear change, circularity and/or assumptions.
So what does this show? That reason is the occurence of form, spontaneously, within the psyche of the individual and is merely a means of symbols instituting transformation. This process of transformation within the psyche is the dissolution and renewal of how we percieve and how we percieve is fundamentally what constitutes ourselves within our centers. This dissolution and renewal is a metaphorical death and resurrection...something religions have been acknowledging for thousands of years.
the guy in the hat dances good - but nothing on Christopher WalkenFairy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:55 pmhttps://youtu.be/4qTFGmgfei4?si=ybP24DbooiwgbLNtImpenitent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 8:39 pm god is being god because god is not being a bee
being a bee is not all it's cracked up to be
neither is being a broken mirror
-Imp
Da ba dee doo I’m so blue being to bee or not to bee
My exact observation, that guy in the hat gave me goosebumps. What a smooth operator. I just love the excitement of watching dancing electrons, fuck yeah!Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:38 pmthe guy in the hat dances good - but nothing on Christopher WalkenFairy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:55 pmhttps://youtu.be/4qTFGmgfei4?si=ybP24DbooiwgbLNtImpenitent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 8:39 pm god is being god because god is not being a bee
being a bee is not all it's cracked up to be
neither is being a broken mirror
-Imp
Da ba dee doo I’m so blue being to bee or not to bee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXtlb0JrT8
-Imp
Indeed. I'm a first worlder. And this is my social medium. All others are utter and complete noise. This forum is afflicted with 98.4% noise. So, common sense reasoning, i.e. the reasoning of the man on the Clapham omnibus. the reasoning that says, yeah, yeah, yeah, we all pull ourselves out of the mire, horse and all, by our own hair, even Kant couldn't escape axioms, but. It's bleedin' obvious that there are infinite non-beliefs, without 'experiencing' any of them. By reason. Again. I mean, what the hell could experiencing non-belief possibly mean? It's syntactic without being semantic. I'm obviously not smart enough. Thank God.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:06 pmCommon sense is relative. What appears as common to a third world tribe differs from what appears as common to a 1st world citizen. Even in the modern world common sense is fragmented into cliques due to social media revealing different groups of perceptions among people....or I can point to the obvious and use this forum as an example.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:43 pmSorry, I should have said common sense. Like Popper's.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:17 pm
Good, reasoning is quite helpful. But it has limits...the munchausseen trillemma. All reasoning occurs with infinite linear change, circularity and/or assumptions.
So what does this show? That reason is the occurence of form, spontaneously, within the psyche of the individual and is merely a means of symbols instituting transformation. This process of transformation within the psyche is the dissolution and renewal of how we percieve and how we percieve is fundamentally what constitutes ourselves within our centers. This dissolution and renewal is a metaphorical death and resurrection...something religions have been acknowledging for thousands of years.