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Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:32 pm
Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 2:41 pm American pseudo-diversity = dozens of colas....only 2 political options.

Diversity for the States means, brand diversity.
It does not tolerate bio-diversity in humans, e.g., sex/gender, race/ethnicity.
It does not tolerate cultural and ideological diversity. All must adopt the American model - culture of no culture.

Even its secularism is based on its intolerance of spiritual diversity.
God is the last divisive idea secular nihilism must overcome, to create its uniform Utopia.
This is nonsense, of course. While European nations promote anti-hate speech laws and libel laws that restrict freedom of speech, the U.S. continues to abide by the first amendment (for how much longer is unclear).
It abides as long as the speaker does not have a large audience...when he does he is silenced, using insidious means.
Already they are trying to criminalize certain kinds of critique...directed only towards protecting one people.
W can criticize Christianity and Islam but....who can't we criticize without risking being doxxed or losing our job or being slandered?
Yrs, the control is slowly breaking....because the empire is in decline.
Things can be said today that were dismissed as tin-foil conspiracies, in the past. But laws are being enacted...czar's of political correctness are being appointed.
a king is generous and tolerant, when he is powerful...but as his power wanes with tolerance diminishes.

Europeans are vassals...of course they would try to be more severe than the citadel....in order to prove how loyal they remain to the kingdom's ideals

Although the diversity in America has led to wacky religious groups, we continue to have freedom of thought and religion. The evangelicals who decry diversity represent only 20% or less of our population.
Diversity is reduced to a idea....a brand.....
If one practices his beliefs, without contradicting Americanism's core ideals, they will tolerate you.

Why is Sharia Law illegal?
That's an expression of their ideals...their way of thinking.
Who are you to tell the world how to live?
Are you the one that decides what is proper, and humanitarian?
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Re: Americanism

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Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:32 pm While European nations promote anti-hate speech laws and libel laws that restrict freedom of speech, the U.S. continues to abide by the first amendment (for how much longer is unclear).
Europe controls speech because factions desire to curtail the expression of ideas that are not in accord with certain policies, established for specific purposes.

While it is true that America has defined free speech protections, it is simultaneously obvious that free speech is, in truth, restricted. In fact (as all have noticed) there are ways and means to prohibit free expression and communication of ideas.
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Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:42 pm [
Why is Sharia Law illegal?
It isn't. What are you talking about?
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Re: Americanism

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:50 pm
Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:32 pm While European nations promote anti-hate speech laws and libel laws that restrict freedom of speech, the U.S. continues to abide by the first amendment (for how much longer is unclear).
Europe controls speech because factions desire to curtail the expression of ideas that are not in accord with certain policies, established for specific purposes.

While it is true that America has defined free speech protections, it is simultaneously obvious that free speech is, in truth, restricted. In fact (as all have noticed) there are ways and means to prohibit free expression and communication of ideas.
Of course. But speech is not restricted by law; instead it is restricted by custom, good manners, and common sense. To the extent that those on the left ir right would like to enact and encode those restrictions legally, they are hindered by our constitution.
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Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:54 pm
Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:42 pm [
Why is Sharia Law illegal?
It isn't. What are you talking about?
A man in the US can marry multiple underage females and keep them in burka's?
Really?

If a thief is caught red handed...can he amputate his hands, as punishment?
Can he stone homosexuals?

Which State, tell me.
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Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:57 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:50 pm
Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:32 pm While European nations promote anti-hate speech laws and libel laws that restrict freedom of speech, the U.S. continues to abide by the first amendment (for how much longer is unclear).
Europe controls speech because factions desire to curtail the expression of ideas that are not in accord with certain policies, established for specific purposes.

While it is true that America has defined free speech protections, it is simultaneously obvious that free speech is, in truth, restricted. In fact (as all have noticed) there are ways and means to prohibit free expression and communication of ideas.
Of course. But speech is not restricted by law; instead it is restricted by custom, good manners, and common sense. To the extent that those on the left ir right would like to enact and encode those restrictions legally, they are hindered by our constitution.
Can you boycott Israel and compel others to do the same?
Can you call the Gaza killings "ehtnic cleansing"?

How many States require political candidates to sign an agreement not to critique Israel?
A loyalty agreement.

On what Legacy Media shows are voices that contradict America's ideals aired and how often?
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Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:57 pm
Of course. But speech is not restricted by law; instead it is restricted by custom, good manners, and common sense. To the extent that those on the left ir right would like to enact and encode those restrictions legally, they are hindered by our constitution.
A quibble: You could also say that speech is being restricted, not by prohibitive law, but by bad customs, the misplaced imposition of manners, and common sense that is not grounded in (good) sense.

But I do get your point.

I think that what Pistolero is working with is the notion of the beginning of the breakdown of long-established conventions because so-called diversity has up-ended the possibility of social cohesion.

The movement now rising, even if toward the fringe, that proposes to concretize ideas which are capable of opposing the ideology of diversity, have their roots in substantial ideas. I mean, not crazy ideas but rather grounded, though conservative, ideals.

Those ideas and those ideologies are quite threatening to established policies and social order and will be harshly resisted and curtailed.

Really, there is a point where free speech and thought must be reined-in (by a dominant power). The guarantee of free speech and thought always has limits.
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If American did tolerate some free-speech when ti was mighty, it did so because the threat was an ideology.
Communism.

Now the threat is real....it is tangible....
How much free-speech will America endure, now that it is really being threatened, both ideologically and economically?

A rich man might be generous when his coffers are full, but when they begin to shrink, his generosity wanes.
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Yes....social cohesion.
Multiculturalism is eroding social cohesion.....now free-speech is really being tested.
When 90% repeat the same bullshyte, like parrots, differing only in minute details, there' no problem...speak away.

Brainwashing, peer pressure....this maintains "civility.'
But when the core of your beliefs are questioned you can say that the other is being impolite, uncivil....right?
then you can sue them....threaten his income....his reputation....his social standing....
Then you can silence them....because they were impolite.
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The book Religious Attitudes of the Indo-Europeans might be of interest to some.
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Vidal, Gore wrote:There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt - until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.
Not one that questions the bullshyte that the US is a force of good, and a benevolent nation.
Not one actual alternative.

Like I said...not until recently.
The two factions divided beyond party lines....
How do they manage US decline from hyper-power to regional power? - How do they deal with losing the narrative, propaganda?

The divide is beyond party lines, because they were never different.
RINOS they call them now.

One faction = Neo-Cons (Troskyite, Strauseans), Hollywood propaganda machine, Legacy Media (except FOX), Most of Congress,
The minor faction = technology barons, a small part of the Republicans....

The minority wants to change America's policies, consolidate its waning powers, and stake its claim over parts of the world - like the Americas.
The majority wants to continue with the policies that worked since the end of WWII - pillaging the world's natural and human resources using transnational - American based - corporations, coups (Rainbow movements, a.k.a. colour revolutions), Wokism, perpetual warfare to destabilize and control nations, control of the narrative (propaganda machine)....
Once you have that, you can allow free-speech - you censor the mind directly....you brainwash your minions, i.e. citizenry and vassal states, to a degree where they cannot even think anything contrary to your bullshyte.
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One last thing...for today...

Of course the US could allow free-speech, when it controlled the narrative.
Nobody could think of anything other than the talking points they were given, through Hollywood and Mass Media.
They could differ over bullshit, like abortion, or guns, or taxes, whilst they lived in a nation that was the richest and most powerful but did not cover the healthcare of its citizenry - allowed millions to live in squall or, forced to work 2 or 3 jobs just to stay off the streets...

When your propaganda machine was dominant and you could brainwash millions, then you could a ford to let them speak.
The odd outlier was no problem, they will shout him down.
Nothing he says will register in the minds of brainwashed moron.
He could be dismissed as a loon, a conspiracy theorist....and ignored. All the zombies laughing at his antics.

No effect. America is the most propagandized nation on earth.
I've lived in another nation, and spoken to people from around the world,. nowhere is political discourse so shallow....so limited...so contained within self-serving truths.
Such minds can be permitted to speak freely....they will never say anything threatening to the status quo...to the powers that be.
Certain ideas are unthinkable to them.
They cannot even bring themselves to consider their arguments....abhorrent.....bigoted...
This is Pavlovian social engineering at its highest level - Americanism.

But it is crumbling.
why?
It's own elites began to believe the bullshyte they were selling to the masses.
All the easy living made them soft and arrogant....their children could not reason, they were taken over by the same lies.

Now free-speech is dangerous.
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Re: Americanism

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Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:01 pm
Alexiev wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:54 pm
Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:42 pm [
Why is Sharia Law illegal?
It isn't. What are you talking about?
A man in the US can marry multiple underage females and keep them in burka's?
Really?

If a thief is caught red handed...can he amputate his hands, as punishment?
Can he stone homosexuals?

Which State, tell me.
We separate church and state, so Sharia law is not the law of the land. Neither us UK law, French law, Russian law, or Chinese law. None of them are "illegal", though.

Americans (like citizens of every other country) are required to follow our laws, which make stoning adulterers illegal. However, marriages conducted under Sharia law are recognized by the state. Thus, Sharia law is not illegal: some of the practices it mandates are.

This is so obvious that it shouldn't be necessary to explain it.
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Re: Americanism

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Pistolero wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:04 pm [
Can you boycott Israel and compel others to do the same?
Can you call the Gaza killings "ehtnic cleansing"?

How many States require political candidates to sign an agreement not to critique Israel?
A loyalty agreement.

On what Legacy Media shows are voices that contradict America's ideals aired and how often?
Yes, yes, none, I don't know.
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Re: Americanism

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Therefore, diversity is a lie.
You want Islam Americanized....like only the food and the garments....the superficial stuff.
Nothing applied...except kneeling and praying....nothing important.

That's what I said.
American reduces everything to a product.

Bye now.
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