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Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:54 pm**

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:49 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 6:46 am
Q: Now, what definition are you USING for the word 'sin', here?
A: The definition referenced in Romans 3:23, from The Holy Bible.

If you are NOT ABLE TO express the VERY definitions that you USE, here, then NO one KNOWS, for sure, what you are ACTUALLY MEANING.

Also, are you, STILL, NOT YET AWARE that if ANY one chose to read what you are linking to, here, then they could make a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION than you HAVE?

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:49 pm Q: But, WHY would ANY one even just consider that so-called 'moral moniker'?
A: Because the thread is in the context of religion, which involves moral application of teachings, whatever they may be.

AGAIN, here is ANOTHER PRIME example of where one person's OWN INTERPRETATION of words ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than others ARE.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:49 pm Q: And, 'excellence' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?
A: Excellence as referenced by the thread title, whatever that may be.

So, what you ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING IS, you do NOT KNOW, for sure.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:49 pm Q: WHAT? AND, WHY do you inevitably bring 'your OWN personal' 'opposition' IN, here, FOR, EXACTLY?
A: All observations are true and available for independent verification at the cost of a bit personal interest, effort, and sound judgement to inspire research leading to truth, justice, and the American way..

ONCE MORE, 'another reply' GIVEN, but which does NOT ANSWER and does NOT CLARIFY the ACTUAL QUESTION posed, and ASKED.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:49 pm Q: AGAIN, how are you USING the 'sinning' word, here, EXACTLY?
A: Same as excellence, in the context of the thread title.

But this is OBVIOUSLY False AND Wrong, as the word, 'sinning', in 'the context' is in relation to 'missing the mark' and you CERTAINLY WERE NOT USING the word, 'sinning', in 'this way' AT ALL.

So, ONCE AGAIN, when 'replying' one has LEFT MORE CONFUSION, and thus LEFT me with MORE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, TO ASK, rather than just PROVIDING ACTUAL ANSWERS and CLARITY, ONLY.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:13 am**

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:54 pm

"Exactly" isn't always required for the knowing. For example, I don't know your exact age, and that's not necessary to know. We're both biologically human adults, which is a general enough knowledge as far the exactness of age goes. Aren't we?

For much of knowledge, the distinction between living and dead is as exact as need be.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:14 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:13 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:54 pm
"Exactly" isn't always required for the knowing. For example, I don't know your exact age, and that's not necessary to know.

NO one has EVER ASKED you ANY thing like 'this'. So, ANY point that you are 'TRYING TO' MAKE, here, IS MOOT.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:13 am We're both biologically human adults, which is a general enough knowledge as far the exactness of age goes. Aren't we?

AGAIN, its JUST MOOT. And, this is WITHOUT even going into the Fact that NO one, here, has EVERY SAID that 'exactly' is EVER required FOR 'the knowing', ANYWAY.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:13 am For much of knowledge, the distinction between living and dead is as exact as need be.

AGAIN, 'this' is ABSOLUTE MOOT, in relation to ABSOLUTELY ANY and EVERY thing that I have SAID and WRITTEN, here.

LOOK, if you can NOT EXPLAIN NOR CLARIFY your CLAIMS, then SO BE IT. 'We' shall just MOVE ALONG.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:35 am**

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:14 am

You may want to consider the causes which effect your confusion.

The world outside your skin is not the cause of misunderstanding, or not understanding, the world.

For a yute to wear a boot while eating the root of a jute fruit while tooting a flute is moot but still a hoot.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:34 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:35 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:14 am
You may want to consider the causes which effect your confusion.

OBVIOUSLY, NOT UNTIL you PRESENT what you BELIEVE IS 'my confusion', 'I' will NOT BE 'seeing' what 'you' ARE, here.

you, ONCE AGAIN, did NOT even QUOTE AN ACTUAL WORD, OF mine, FOR 'us' TO even LOOK AT.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:35 am The world outside your skin is not the cause of misunderstanding, or not understanding, the world.

For a yute to wear a boot while eating the root of a jute fruit while tooting a flute is moot but still a hoot.

If you SAY SO. But, JUST MAYBE it IS 'you' who is somewhat CONFUSED, here.

Is 'this' A POSSIBILITY IN 'your OWN world', here?

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm**

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:06 pm "Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.

I've never looked at myself as anything but a failure. I am certainly not "excellent" because of my failures. Failure is not the end of the world (most of the time), however, failure is not "excellence". You've got it all backwards. You must be an idiot like me.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:41 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:44 pm

Why are you hoping to learn 'not to miss' when you absolutely 'want to keep missing'?

Can you see any contradiction, here?

"Except you people are 'MISSING THE MARK' when you think or BELIEVE that there is some ACTUAL TYPE OF COMPETITION, IN Life."

Did you go to school?
Are grades not indicators of how our children are competing?

Have you ever applied for a job?

Was it a competition or was it just given to you for no reason?

Even here, we compete to be the one who hits the mark in our debates.

Know thyself as you statement is demonstrably wrong.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:49 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm You must be an idiot like me.

We are all alike.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:04 pm**

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:49 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm You must be an idiot like me.
We are all alike.

Are we? Aren't we different in some ways too?

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:25 pm**

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:41 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:44 pm

Why are you hoping to learn 'not to miss' when you absolutely 'want to keep missing'?

Can you see any contradiction, here?
"Except you people are 'MISSING THE MARK' when you think or BELIEVE that there is some ACTUAL TYPE OF COMPETITION, IN Life."

Did you go to school?
Are grades not indicators of how our children are competing?

Have you ever applied for a job?

Was it a competition or was it just given to you for no reason?

Even here, we compete to be the one who hits the mark in our debates.

I am glad you raised these points, here. As they FIT IN PERFECTLY WITH what I have ALREADY been presenting, saying, and claiming.

And, since your views, and BELIEFS, here, are VERY CLEAR, 'you' ARE LIVING PROOF OF HOW you people, via the brain can be and ARE SO EASILY DECEIVED, and FOOLED.

LOL Babies and young children do NOT 'compete', that is UNTIL they are TAUGHT TO 'compete' BY adults who WERE TAUGHT TO 'compete' and who 'now' BELIEVE that life AND living is ABOUT 'COMPETING'.

The 'school-system' is CREATED AROUND the DELUSION OF COMPETITION.

1. :Grades' at school are based upon one's PERFORMANCE in relation to some particular LEVEL. There is NO ACTUAL 'competition', here.And, i CERTAINLY NEVER CARED ONE IOTA what 'grades' i did get or did NOT get.

2.in relation to 'jobs', SEE HOW IMPORTANT 'money' WAS, TO 'these people' back then, when this was being written. Again, I CERTAINLY NEVER CARED if i got 'a job' or NOT. SEE, unlike 'you' I do NOT BELIEVE, AT, nor ABSOLUTELY, that human beings NEED money TO LIVE. So, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO COMPETE FOR, NOR ABOUT, here. There CERTAINLY WAS NO competition to me regards 'jobs'.

3. As for 'here' in this 'philosophy forum' ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT DO 'debate'. So, ONCE MORE there is NO competition, here, AT ALL, TO me.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:41 pm Know thyself as you statement is demonstrably wrong.

Now, 'you' SAY and WRITE, here, 'Know thyself ....', as though 'you' ACTUALLY DO ALREADY KNOW thy 'self'. So, TO SEE IF 'you' ACTUALLY DO, or NOT, what is 'your ANSWER' TO the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I', EXACTLY?'

WHEN 'you' can ANSWER 'this QUESTION', properly AND Correctly, THEN get back TO 'us' with your 'Know thyself as your statement is demonstrably wrong' STATEMENT and CLAIM.

SEE UNTIL 'you' ALSO KNOW the ANSWER TO that QUESTION, and TO other things, here, 'you' ARE WAY OFF 'THE MARK', here.

That 'you' HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED, from that 'cult/ure' that you have been born into and raise up in, TO BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'grades', 'jobs', and/or 'money' MATTERS, and/or is some kind of COMPETITION, IN Life, has NO BEARING, AT ALL, ON what IS the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth, IN Life.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:35 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:06 pm "Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
I've never looked at myself as anything but a failure.

NEVER EVER in your WHOLE life 'garry childress" have you looked at "yourself" in ANY other way?

I am certainly not "excellent" because of my failures. Failure is not the end of the world (most of the time), however, failure is not "excellence".[/quote]

In A 'philosophy forum', of all places, did you really think or believe that it was NECESSARY, and to explain twice, that, ' 'failure' is NOT 'excellence' '?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm You've got it all backwards. You must be an idiot like me.

'they' have, supposedly, got 'what', EXACTLY, ALL 'backwards'?

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:48 pm**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:04 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:49 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:29 pm You must be an idiot like me.
We are all alike.
Are we? Aren't we different in some ways too?

ALL human beings are EQUAL in that you 'were' ALL born WITH the EQUAL ABILITY TO learn, understand, and reason ANY and EVERY thing,.

But,

Because you have, 'now' ALL had DIFFERENT 'past experiences', within ALL there are DIFFERENT thoughts and views,

So, although ALL human beings are EQUALLY the SAME, in being born Truly OPEN TO ANY and EVERY thing, you ALL end up LOOKING, and SEEING, DIFFERENTLY because of your EQUAL ABILITY TO learn, understand, and reason ANY and EVERY thing, because your NATURALLY DIFFERENT ’past experiences'.

NO two human bodies EVER have the EXACT SAME experiences, and NEVER COULD, so NO two people will EVER be the SAME.

Even the cloning of A human body could NEVER EVER produce the EXACT SAME 'person', as EVERY 'person' is SOLE BECAUSE IF what the body, itself, has 'experienced', in Life.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:56 am**

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:04 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:49 pm

We are all alike.
Are we? Aren't we different in some ways too?
ALL human beings are EQUAL in that you 'were' ALL born WITH the EQUAL ABILITY TO learn, understand, and reason ANY and EVERY thing,.

Why do you assume that all human beings have an "equal ability" to learn, understand, and reason "any and everything"? What evidence suggests that to you? Aren't some humans born with physical differences that can make it more difficult in some cases or easier in others to learn, understand, and reason than what other humans do?

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:38 am**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:56 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:04 pm

Are we? Aren't we different in some ways too?
ALL human beings are EQUAL in that you 'were' ALL born WITH the EQUAL ABILITY TO learn, understand, and reason ANY and EVERY thing,.
Why do you assume that all human beings have an "equal ability" to learn, understand, and reason "any and everything"?

But I do NOT assume it.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:56 amWhat evidence suggests that to you?

The 'evidence', and 'proof', that if you were to take ANY new born human baby from ANY country, at ANY time, and bring it to 'the cult/ure' that you are living in, then 'that baby' would just start talking in the EXACT SAME 'language' and/or 'way', as you speak, and with more or less the EXACT SAME accent, as well, by the way.

'That human baby' from ANYWHERE, and/or from ANY TIME', would more or less just end up DOING, and BELIEVING or DISBELIEVING, what 'the people' of 'that place', and 'that time', are DOING, and BELIEVING or DISBELIEVING.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:20 pm Aren't some humans born with physical differences that can make it more difficult in some cases or easier in others to learn, understand, and reason than what other humans do?

Would you like to PROVIDE some examples, so then 'we', at least, have some 'thing' to LOOK AT, CONSIDER, and DISCUSS, here.

But, as far as I think where you are WANTING TO GO with 'this', that will NOT apply. But, 'we' WILL HAVE TO WAIT, FOR your RESPONSE, TO LOOK AT and SEE, what examples you PRESENT FOR 'us', FIRST.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:38 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:38 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:20 pm Aren't some humans born with physical differences that can make it more difficult in some cases or easier in others to learn, understand, and reason than what other humans do?
Would you like to PROVIDE some examples, so then 'we', at least, have some 'thing' to LOOK AT, CONSIDER, and DISCUSS, here.

Mis-citation: this was Gary, not IC.

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