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Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:22 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:22 am

Is there 'consciousness' in non-human animals?

If yes, then does 'meaning' exist to the 'consciousness' in them?

I believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches.

Thank you for answering and clarifying the first question with just what you believe is true, here.

But, why did you not answer and clarify the second question, here?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.

I am not sure what 'it' is you are trying to convey, here, exactly, nor if 'it' relates in some way, here.

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, which relates to our apparent reality/everyday reality. You are a sensing organism, the centre of your reality. It is out of you that this reality springs, for apparent reality is your subjective experience. Your experienced reality is an emergent quality of the union of subject and object. Experience, meaning, and judgment belong only to the conscious subject and never to the object or the world as object. This applies to all life forms; forms differ, but the essence of life is our carbon-based biology. Apparent reality is your biological readout, it is as if the energies of the cosmos played upon our biology as an instrument, altering biology to play the melody upon it we call apparent reality. Just as there is no color and/or no sound in the real world, but it is an interpretation of one's affected biology, so too, it may be that the same is true of objects in general. It was Spinoza who taught us the way we come to know a world of objects. He stated that the objects alter our biology in some way, and this we call experience. I have just expanded on his insight to that of replacing objects with energy, and it is energy that gives us objects through the relations between energy forms. We know our senses enable and limit what we perceive; thus, there must be a host of energies and energy forms we have no relation to, and know nothing of. For all we know, there could be a whole host of realities occurring in the same space as our apparent reality that we are oblivious to.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:22 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm

I believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches.

Thank you for answering and clarifying the first question with just what you believe is true, here.

But, why did you not answer and clarify the second question, here?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.

I am not sure what 'it' is you are trying to convey, here, exactly, nor if 'it' relates in some way, here.

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, which relates to our apparent reality/everyday reality. You are a sensing organism, the centre of your reality. It is out of you that this reality springs, for apparent reality is your subjective experience.

Out of a human being is not where the actual Reality springs. However, there is obviously a perceived reality, which springs out of you human beings.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm Your experienced reality is an emergent quality of the union of subject and object. Experience, meaning, and judgment belong only to the conscious subject and never to the object or the world as object.

Which is why your own personal experiences, meanings, judgments, and views, here, do not necessarily align with what is actually True and Right, here.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm This applies to all life forms; forms differ, but the essence of life is our carbon-based biology. Apparent reality is your biological readout, it is as if the energies of the cosmos played upon our biology as an instrument, altering biology to play the melody upon it we call apparent reality.

And, because you have been fed False and Wrong information, this is the very reason why your output, here, is of False and Wrong information, sometimes.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm Just as there is no color and/or no sound in the real world, but it is an interpretation of one's affected biology, so too, it may be that the same is true of objects in general. It was Spinoza who taught us the way we come to know a world of objects.

So, where did this "spinoza" learn, what it taught you?

And, is every thing "spinoza" said and taught absolutely True and Right?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm He stated that the objects alter our biology in some way, and this we call experience. I have just expanded on his insight to that of replacing objects with energy, and it is energy that gives us objects through the relations between energy forms.

Were you not yet aware of what was blatantly obvious until that one human being taught you what it did?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm We know our senses enable and limit what we perceive; thus, there must be a host of energies and energy forms we have no relation to, and know nothing of.

That you have, still, not yet understood and known some thing is just because of the 'very thing' that you are doing, here.

And, if you are not yet aware of what I am referring to, then you know what to do in order to learn and know more, and/or anew.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pm For all we know, there could be a whole host of realities occurring in the same space as our apparent reality that we are oblivious to.

But, there is obviously One only Reality.

Giygas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:27 am Ultimate questions are for monkeys? Being a primate myself and interested in metaphysical conceptions of reality, I concur. Just not in the sarcastic sense that you meant. Cheers, monkey man.

As long as ultimate answers remain elusive. I'm more interested in why we ask for them.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:22 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:53 am If all is energy, perhaps the existence of nothing is possible in the presence of life forms. Certainly, meaning does not exist but to consciousness.

Is there 'consciousness' in non-human animals?

If yes, then does 'meaning' exist to the 'consciousness' in them?

I believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.

Okay, you believe consciousness belongs to all 'living things'. But,

1. What 'living things' are, to you, is different to what 'living things' are, to me and/or others.

2. I asked you, 'Is there 'consciousness' in non-human animals? And, your answer is, 'Yes', correct?

If correct, then I asked you, Does 'meaning' exist to the 'consciousness' in non-human animals?

'We' are still waiting for your answer, and clarification.

Now, as for the rest of what you said and wrote, here, who really cares? If you are going to quote my questions that I proposed, to you, then your answers are what I care much more about.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:43 pm

Giygas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:27 am Ultimate questions are for monkeys? Being a primate myself and interested in metaphysical conceptions of reality, I concur. Just not in the sarcastic sense that you meant. Cheers, monkey man.

As long as ultimate answers remain elusive. I'm more interested in why we ask for them.

If you, still, have not yet worked out why you ask for so-called 'ultimate answers', then really you have not been asking, and answering, the correct questions.

The reason why human beings seek out so-called 'ultimate answers' is because human beings are born naturally inquisitive. And, it is for this reason, combined with the, 'truly open', Mind, and with the, 'memory storage device', brain ,why human beings, individually, are able to keep learning more and anew, always, and, collectively, are able to learn any and every thing.

Now, if you would like to present some 'ultimate answers', which are being asked for, then 'we' will be able to find out if 'we' can find 'those answers', here, 'now'.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:26 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:43 pm

Giygas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:27 am Ultimate questions are for monkeys? Being a primate myself and interested in metaphysical conceptions of reality, I concur. Just not in the sarcastic sense that you meant. Cheers, monkey man.

As long as ultimate answers remain elusive. I'm more interested in why we ask for them.

If you, still, have not yet worked out why you ask for so-called 'ultimate answers', then really you have not been asking, and answering, the correct questions.

The reason why human beings seek out so-called 'ultimate answers' is because human beings are born naturally inquisitive. And, it is for this reason, combined with the, 'truly open', Mind, and with the, 'memory storage device', brain ,why human beings, individually, are able to keep learning more and anew, always, and, collectively, are able to learn any and every thing.

Now, if you would like to present some 'ultimate answers', which are being asked for, then 'we' will be able to find out if 'we' can find 'those answers', here, 'now'.

'That' 'doesn't' 'explain' 'anything''.'

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:19 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:26 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:43 pm
As long as ultimate answers remain elusive. I'm more interested in why we ask for them.

If you, still, have not yet worked out why you ask for so-called 'ultimate answers', then really you have not been asking, and answering, the correct questions.

The reason why human beings seek out so-called 'ultimate answers' is because human beings are born naturally inquisitive. And, it is for this reason, combined with the, 'truly open', Mind, and with the, 'memory storage device', brain ,why human beings, individually, are able to keep learning more and anew, always, and, collectively, are able to learn any and every thing.

Now, if you would like to present some 'ultimate answers', which are being asked for, then 'we' will be able to find out if 'we' can find 'those answers', here, 'now'.

'That' 'doesn't' 'explain' 'anything''.'

So, you did not know what human beings ask questions, for so-called 'ultimate answers', and even though 'I' explain, to 'you', the very reason why human beings ask questions, for answers, and for so-called 'ultimate answers', you, still, are not able to understand, and, still, believe the explanation given explains absolutely nothing at all. Well to 'you' anyway.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:25 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:19 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:26 am

If you, still, have not yet worked out why you ask for so-called 'ultimate answers', then really you have not been asking, and answering, the correct questions.

The reason why human beings seek out so-called 'ultimate answers' is because human beings are born naturally inquisitive. And, it is for this reason, combined with the, 'truly open', Mind, and with the, 'memory storage device', brain ,why human beings, individually, are able to keep learning more and anew, always, and, collectively, are able to learn any and every thing.

Now, if you would like to present some 'ultimate answers', which are being asked for, then 'we' will be able to find out if 'we' can find 'those answers', here, 'now'.

'That' 'doesn't' 'explain' 'anything''.'

So, you did not know what human beings ask questions, for so-called 'ultimate answers', and even though 'I' explain, to 'you', the very reason why human beings ask questions, for answers, and for so-called 'ultimate answers', you, still, are not able to understand, and, still, believe the explanation given explains absolutely nothing at all. Well to 'you' anyway.

'What'' 'human' 'beings' 'ask' 'questions'? 'What' 'don't'?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:25 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:19 am
'That' 'doesn't' 'explain' 'anything''.'

So, you did not know what human beings ask questions, for so-called 'ultimate answers', and even though 'I' explain, to 'you', the very reason why human beings ask questions, for answers, and for so-called 'ultimate answers', you, still, are not able to understand, and, still, believe the explanation given explains absolutely nothing at all. Well to 'you' anyway.

'What'' 'human' 'beings' 'ask' 'questions'? 'What' 'don't'?

So, once more, 'this one' proves that it, still, can not understand and comprehend the most simplest of explanations, for what it claims it is interested in.

Which goes to show and prove just how closed 'this one' really is.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:01 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:25 am

So, you did not know what human beings ask questions, for so-called 'ultimate answers', and even though 'I' explain, to 'you', the very reason why human beings ask questions, for answers, and for so-called 'ultimate answers', you, still, are not able to understand, and, still, believe the explanation given explains absolutely nothing at all. Well to 'you' anyway.

'What'' 'human' 'beings' 'ask' 'questions'? 'What' 'don't'?

So, once more, 'this one' proves that it, still, can not understand and comprehend the most simplest of explanations, for what it claims it is interested in.

Which goes to show and prove just how closed 'this one' really is.

'Which' 'just' 'goes' 'to' 'show', 'once' 'more', 'how' ''this' 'ones'' 'performance' 'art' 'is' 'in' 'a' 'class' 'of' 'its' 'own'.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:08 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:01 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:29 am
'What'' 'human' 'beings' 'ask' 'questions'? 'What' 'don't'?

So, once more, 'this one' proves that it, still, can not understand and comprehend the most simplest of explanations, for what it claims it is interested in.

Which goes to show and prove just how closed 'this one' really is.

'Which' 'just' 'goes' 'to' 'show', 'once' 'more', 'how' ''this' 'ones'' 'performance' 'art' 'is' 'in' 'a' 'class' 'of' 'its' 'own'.

Art is one thing, whilst being a Truly closed human being is another thing.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:59 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:08 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:01 am

So, once more, 'this one' proves that it, still, can not understand and comprehend the most simplest of explanations, for what it claims it is interested in.

Which goes to show and prove just how closed 'this one' really is.

'Which' 'just' 'goes' 'to' 'show', 'once' 'more', 'how' ''this' 'ones'' 'performance' 'art' 'is' 'in' 'a' 'class' 'of' 'its' 'own'.

Art is one thing, whilst being a Truly closed human being is another thing.

I'm Open to That.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:32 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:59 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:08 am
'Which' 'just' 'goes' 'to' 'show', 'once' 'more', 'how' ''this' 'ones'' 'performance' 'art' 'is' 'in' 'a' 'class' 'of' 'its' 'own'.

Art is one thing, whilst being a Truly closed human being is another thing.

I'm Open to That.

So, 'now' 'this one' is admitting that it could be a Truly closed human being, here.

He wasn't exact, enough?

Exactly!

Pistolero wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:13 pm He wasn't exact, enough?

Exactly!

Again, these ones write statements and claims, but put a question mark at the end of them.