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Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:02 pm
by Impenitent
I thought I taw a puddy tat
-Imp
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:01 am
by Eodnhoj7
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:36 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:28 pm
Experience itself isn't distinctual, thinking is, which can make experience seem distinctual.
Thinking is an experience.
Yes but that's irrelevant here.
Far from it my friend....
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:16 am
by Atla
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:01 am
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:36 pm
Thinking is an experience.
Yes but that's irrelevant here.
Far from it my friend....
Then every rainbow you see is a real rainbow, if you go close you'll be able to touch it.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:19 am
by Fairy
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:13 pm
if there are no humans to make the observation and categorization, it doesn't exist
millions of years ago before humans appeared, dinosaurs roamed the planet
but no, no, no! there were no humans, dinosaurs didn't exist!
-Imp
But, something first must exist before any knowledge of something can be negated to exist.
The claim things do not exist is to simultaneously imply they do exist. It takes something to negate something. But nothing cannot negate nothing.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:05 pm
by Fairy
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:25 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:32 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:10 pm
I am not sure it is limited to being a construct considering the transitional nature of awareness requires paradoxical foundations to some degree or another. Yes it is a construct to some degree but this construct is less a thing in itself and more process expressed by the psyche. Paradox begets paradox.
Do you mean in the context of there being no thing to construct a paradox, and yet a paradox does apparently appear as a constructed thing - which makes no sense and at the same time appears to make sense. Is that what you mean?
What I am saying is that the nature of the psyche is paradox and and reflection of the psyche is the manifestation of further paradoxes from it. The recursion of paradox.
Are you talking about the illusory dream of separation?
In the context of... If there was No Everything, if there was only Nothing, then Nothing would be, that is the only thing that there would be?
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:13 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:01 am
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:38 pm
Yes but that's irrelevant here.
Far from it my friend....
Then every rainbow you see is a real rainbow, if you go close you'll be able to touch it.
No...the thread title says "degree of truth..."
A "fake" rainbow is a degree of truth of a real rainbow, it is a reflection.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:14 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:05 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:25 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:32 pm
Do you mean in the context of there being no thing to construct a paradox, and yet a paradox does apparently appear as a constructed thing - which makes no sense and at the same time appears to make sense. Is that what you mean?
What I am saying is that the nature of the psyche is paradox and and reflection of the psyche is the manifestation of further paradoxes from it. The recursion of paradox.
Are you talking about the illusory dream of separation?
In the context of... If there was No Everything, if there was only Nothing, then Nothing would be, that is the only thing that there would be?
Given the paradoxical nature of the psyche the constructs, that exist as extensions of it, are paradoxical.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:19 pm
by Atla
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:13 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:01 am
Far from it my friend....
Then every rainbow you see is a real rainbow, if you go close you'll be able to touch it.
No...the thread title says "degree of truth..."
A "fake" rainbow is a degree of truth of a real rainbow, it is a reflection.
Don't know what degree of truth means. Something can be true in some senses and false in other senses.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:20 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:19 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:13 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:16 am
Then every rainbow you see is a real rainbow, if you go close you'll be able to touch it.
No...the thread title says "degree of truth..."
A "fake" rainbow is a degree of truth of a real rainbow, it is a reflection.
Don't know what degree of truth means. Something can be true in some senses and false in other senses.
Fuzzy logic. Rather than strict binary identities they exist in grades.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:23 pm
by Atla
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:20 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:19 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:13 pm
No...the thread title says "degree of truth..."
A "fake" rainbow is a degree of truth of a real rainbow, it is a reflection.
Don't know what degree of truth means. Something can be true in some senses and false in other senses.
Fuzzy logic. Rather than strict binary identities they exist in grades.
I'm a fuzzy logic user and don't understand how to use it on rainbows.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:28 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:23 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:20 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:19 pm
Don't know what degree of truth means. Something can be true in some senses and false in other senses.
Fuzzy logic. Rather than strict binary identities they exist in grades.
I'm a fuzzy logic user and don't understand how to use it on rainbows.
There is a rainbow. Then there is a picture of a rainbow. Then there is a picture of a picture of a rainbow. Then there is a picture of a picture of a picture of a rainbow. Etc. Each picture of the rainbow is strictly a degree different from the original rainbow.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:56 pm
by Fairy
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:14 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:05 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:25 pm
What I am saying is that the nature of the psyche is paradox and and reflection of the psyche is the manifestation of further paradoxes from it. The recursion of paradox.
Are you talking about the illusory dream of separation?
In the context of... If there was No Everything, if there was only Nothing, then Nothing would be, that is the only thing that there would be?
Given the paradoxical nature of the psyche the constructs, that exist as extensions of it, are paradoxical.
I understand what you are saying, and so agree with that statement.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:06 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:56 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:14 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:05 pm
Are you talking about the illusory dream of separation?
In the context of... If there was No Everything, if there was only Nothing, then Nothing would be, that is the only thing that there would be?
Given the paradoxical nature of the psyche the constructs, that exist as extensions of it, are paradoxical.
I understand what you are saying, and so agree with that statement.
The only way to solve a paradox is to transcend it my fusing the opposites as a new construct, a new self.
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:56 pm
by Impenitent
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:19 am
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:13 pm
if there are no humans to make the observation and categorization, it doesn't exist
millions of years ago before humans appeared, dinosaurs roamed the planet
but no, no, no! there were no humans, dinosaurs didn't exist!
-Imp
But, something first must exist before any knowledge of something can be negated to exist.
The claim things do not exist is to simultaneously imply they do exist. It takes something to negate something. But nothing cannot negate nothing.
no, nothing is nothing - to claim that nothing is negative means that some nothing is less than nothing
when you deny thing permission, you may say no thing
hello darkness my old friend
-Imp
Re: If All is Paradox Than All Contains a Degree of Truth By Virtue of Occurence
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:58 pm
by Impenitent
the best Rainbow was with Dio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HacQfdCuVDo
-Imp
"There's a hole in the sky..."